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Now the ads are p***ing me off

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by james.92, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. Dec 4, 2007 #21 of 384
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    care to base that on somethjing other than the old slippery slope argument?
     
  2. Dec 4, 2007 #22 of 384
    jmoak

    jmoak Beware of Conky!

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    Nope, 'fraid not.

    We were first warned about the "slippery slope" ... - http://archive.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=195971#post195971
    ... over six years ago.

    Over six years of warnings.

    Six friggin' years.

    :(
     
  3. Dec 4, 2007 #23 of 384
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    looks like TiVo soilled some stickum on that slope :D
     
  4. Dec 4, 2007 #24 of 384
    EVizzle

    EVizzle ^^MacGvyer^^

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    Does Tivo get more revenue if those ads are clicked? If so, I would click to view the ads, if not I will still continue to ignore all ads on my Tivos. I feel like doing my part to keep Tivo alive, as I have seen the other side of DVRs and it is not pretty!
     
  5. Dec 4, 2007 #25 of 384
    WhiskeyTango

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    My thoughts exactly. You've seen one ad in a year. They aren't that frequent at all and you don't have to do anything differently to avoid them.
     
  6. Dec 4, 2007 #26 of 384
    astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    As others have stated, this is the part of his post I really like. It is old news, yet he just now noticed it. For six months his TiVo has been doing this, but he just now noticed.

    [​IMG]
     
  7. Dec 4, 2007 #27 of 384
    james.92

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    Now that's funny!:)
     
  8. Dec 4, 2007 #28 of 384
    mattack

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    These things don't bother me too much (much worse are the networks' ads that cover the program as discussed in another thread today)..

    But one relatively minor thing is that these seem to add a minor delay. I *can't* just go left arrow, up arrow, enter quickly like I usually can. I'm not saying it's pausing when the ad is up.. I think it just takes longer to draw the screen so it's losing the remote input or something.
     
  9. Dec 6, 2007 #29 of 384
    Lensman

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    I don't think I've ever seen one of these. They do seem like an extension of the ads that you can access from the home page.

    What I'd like to see is directed/related advertising for each show - something like swivel search.

    In fact, I could see Tivo really monetizing swivel search in the same way that Google has monetized search with adwords.

    I'm not worried about intrusive ads as long as Tivo remains independent and has to fight for their customers with service features and quality.
     
  10. Dec 6, 2007 #30 of 384
    DCIFRTHS

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

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    That's the day I will abandon TiVo.
     
  11. Dec 6, 2007 #31 of 384
    Rooster

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    I'll reserve my complaining for when they play a foreign, annoying sound when you fast forward past TiVo's preferred commercials ... oh wait. I got my TiVo to timeshift and to fastforward through unwanted ads. You've got to expect that when you start introducing more ads you're going to rub people the wrong way when one of the bigger benefits of your product is avoiding advertising, especially when people pay a premium monthly subscription for your service.

    I didn't buy my TiVo because they found new and innovative ways to advertise to me, so part of me feels like they're changing the deal when they slowly introduce more and more advertising into the system. At the same time, I realize that it's obvious now that the old business model wasn't working so I kind of understand them doing what they need to so they can remain in business. That said, it's hard to argue that more and more advertising creep is going into the system and the line for me is when it becomes intrusive and plays sounds when you try to get through it too quickly.
     
  12. Dec 6, 2007 #32 of 384
    CrispyCritter

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    I have no arguments with your position; it seems to be quite reasonable. However, I do want to point out that TiVo from day 1 has always said that advertising will be an important part of their revenue stream. What they want to offer is targeted ads - ads that the user is interested in. Eg, pressing a thumbs up during a Ford commercial gets you an extended information dump from Ford. They haven't changed their model at all in that respect. The ads are not going to disappear.
     
  13. Dec 6, 2007 #33 of 384
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    so are you the first to actually cancel your TiVo subscriptions/sell them off and inform TiVo you did so because you do not like the advertising.


    BTW - advertising was part of TiVo business model since they opened their doors - it is just now getting enough eyeballs to do something with advertising
     
  14. Dec 6, 2007 #34 of 384
    ZildjianKX

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    I don't think the ads are cool. They should have an opt in and have it lower your monthly fees... TiVo is already expensive enough without the ads.
     
  15. Dec 6, 2007 #35 of 384
    Atomike

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    Every time someone complains about the ads, you use this argument. Every time. We've heard it. It's not as clever as you think it is. Come up with something new, for Pete's sake.

    You're argument is this: The ads are fine because nobody hates them enough to cancel.
    Just for fun, let's all look at why it's illogical:
    1. Do you know for a fact that nobody has canceled their Tivo because of the intrusive ads? You can prove this?
    2. I have lifetime service on my one Tivo, but I will not buy another Tivo because of the intrusive ads. So, if you're begging someone to point lost sales resulting from the intrusive ads, I can point out at least one.
    3. There are other negative responses other than canceling service. Let's name one: telling someone else not to get a Tivo because of the ads (Or people reading on Digg about the intrusive ads). Personally, I have a strong suspicion that any annoying feature will cause the loss of customers.

    I'm not arguing that Tivo's revenue will not improve temporarily as a result of these ads - I'm merely pointing out that your argument simply makes no sense and you should stop vomiting it perpetually.
    Now go make me a sandwich.
     
  16. Dec 6, 2007 #36 of 384
    richsadams

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    +1 :up:
     
  17. Dec 6, 2007 #37 of 384
    056557

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    IMHO, this method of advertising placement is frankly brilliant. I don’t know who came up with this placement, but the first time I experienced it I was stunned at how compelling the placement was. Perhaps this is why the person who posted the original message had such a visceral reaction to it. This specific placement is incredibly effective. More so than virtually any other electronic placement I have ever seen. Here’s why.

    There is something about one's mental state when one has just finished an engaging right-brain task and is ready to start something new. It uniquely opens one up to the power of suggestion. That occurs virtually nowhere else in the Tivo application path. At every other point, I am either starting something (and can’t be bothered) , or in the middle of something (and can’t be bothered), vs. ending something (and am much more willing to be bothered). In fact, if I just finished a particularly compelling or poignant drama, I may be in a uniquely contemplative state of mind. And I’m a prefect target for the right kind of ad.

    It's brilliant. The first time I saw it, I was struck with how uniquely effective it will probably be.

    I realize that there are many people who disdain advertising as a matter of principle, and may not appreciate my position. For them, advertising will always be an acquired taste at best and evil at worst. However some of us actually find certain types of advertising to be brilliant. And this is one of them. :)
     
  18. Dec 6, 2007 #38 of 384
    056557

    056557 edanieli

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    IMHO, this method of advertising placement is frankly brilliant. I don’t know who came up with this placement, but the first time I experienced it I was stunned at how compelling the placement was. Perhaps this is why the person who posted the original message had such a visceral reaction to it. This specific placement is incredibly effective. More so than virtually any other electronic placement I have ever seen. Here’s why.

    There is something about one's mental state when one has just finished an engaging right-brain task and is ready to start something new. It uniquely opens one up to the power of suggestion. That occurs virtually nowhere else in the Tivo application path. At every other point, I am either starting something (and can’t be bothered) , or in the middle of something (and can’t be bothered), vs. ending something (and am much more willing to be bothered). In fact, if I just finished a particularly compelling or poignant drama, I may be in a uniquely contemplative state of mind. And I’m a prefect target for the right kind of ad.

    It's brilliant. The first time I saw it, I was struck with how uniquely effective it will probably be.

    I realize that there are many people who disdain advertising as a matter of principle, and may not appreciate my position. For them, advertising will always be an acquired taste at best and evil at worst. However some of us actually find certain types of advertising to be brilliant. And this is one of them.
     
  19. Dec 6, 2007 #39 of 384
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    this poster specifically said he had reached his line due to the sound. I was wondering if that was true or he was just complaining.

    Have you told TiVo the reason you are not getting any more TiVo DVRs?
    At what p[oint would you stop just posting, actually sell the lifetime TiVo and use something else?

    also please point to where I told anyone they can not complain or they are not allowed to dislike any ads. On the other hand you seem to feel compelled to try and squelch my opinion and points. Not the sign of a strong base to argue from on your side.

    So, I simply add my standing counter claim that most people TRULY do not find it all that bad or else they would cancel the service and post about it here to make sure the reason is known.
     
  20. Dec 6, 2007 #40 of 384
    Atomike

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    Yes, I countered your points using logical arguments. To which, I notice is no real response. I don't think it's a bad thing to point out why someone is wrong.

    This is still a jump in logic - you take an inaction as proof of a definitive opinion. Nice try, but not valid at all.
    But, I am happy that you've changed your opinion slightly and softened your view. Perhaps at least now you will not demand someone give you a name of a person who's canceled due to the ads. That's all I'm asking, and I think that now that we've examined the logic, that will not happen again.
     

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