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Non-copy protected videos showing as Copy protected

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by Phane, Jul 22, 2014.

  1. Phane

    Phane New Member

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    First, the setup: I've got a new TiVo Roamio, a TiVo Premiere and a TiVo HD. I quit cable a few months ago and am exclusively OTA now. I have all my shows stashed on my Roamio right now.

    The Issue: When I browse the shows on my Roamio from my Premiere, a significant smattering of them are all flagged copy protected. This seems to have only effected shows recorded by the Roamio, not shows that were transferred to it from the HD or Premiere. Additionally, the arrangement seems random, even random episodes from the same show are flagged while others are not. What makes this especially odd is that none of these shows are showing copy protection flags when I browse from my TiVo HD or from my PC using kmttg, they only show as copy protected when viewed from my Premiere.

    I did a full "Clear and Delete Everything" on the Premiere and the exact same shows/episodes are still showing the copy protect flags on that TiVo.
     
  2. worachj

    worachj Active Member

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    As you already know OTA recordings shouldn't be flagged as copy protected. Since the Roamio is new it may take a couple of days to get updated with the latest software version which is 20.4.2. Both your Roamio and Premiere should get updated to version 20.4.2.

    Maybe both TiVo's need to be on the same software version. It may correct its self after a couple of days.
     
  3. Aug 2, 2014 #3 of 14
    Phane

    Phane New Member

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    The Premiere updated first and the issue persisted. A couple of days later, the Roamio updated and now the shows are all showing up correctly.
     
  4. Dec 5, 2014 #4 of 14
    Teeps

    Teeps Active Member

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    Anyone else discover all network (OTA) channels are suddenly (Thursday 4Dec14) encrypted?

    Time Warner Torrance.

    Affected devices/programs:
    kmttg
    XL4
    S3

    TiVo & Time Warner support are no help with discovering the cause.
     
  5. Dec 5, 2014 #5 of 14
    waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

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    I thought that was reported elsewhere on these forums a couple of weeks ago . They shouldn't be doing it.
     
  6. Dec 5, 2014 #6 of 14
    Teeps

    Teeps Active Member

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    Agreed.
    But who does a person contact to dispute this?
    I called TiVo no joy.
    I called Time Warner also no joy.

    Neither can even propose a way to find out how/why programming is suddenly copy protected....
    Didn't need this; I'm really pissed off this morning.

    Or, will it, just as suddenly "reverse" and return to the way it should be?
     
  7. Dec 5, 2014 #7 of 14
    jrtroo

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    Make a FCC complaint.

    The recent report of this was not TWC, I believe it was Brighthouse.
     
  8. Dec 5, 2014 #8 of 14
    waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

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    Pretty sure TWC also.

    But, yes. Report to the FCC.
     
  9. Dec 5, 2014 #9 of 14
    Teeps

    Teeps Active Member

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    Does it take a FCC complaint to get the problem resolved?

    Time Warner cable card support found an ERROR on the CP diag page.
    They said it required a "hit" sent from some other office. And, that it could take 2 hrs or more to occur...
    Cable card support office I spoke to was in Buffalo N.Y.
     
  10. gary712

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    I just received my romeo plus today. I put in the 3tb HD and started to transfer my shows. On some of the movies when I select them to transfer, there is no highlight to transfer, I guess it is because it is copy protected. Is there a way to know if it is copy protected.
     
  11. Teeps

    Teeps Active Member

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    There is either a red X or red circle with / through the middle.
     
  12. ej42137

    ej42137 Active Member

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    We got a letter a few weeks ago from Time Warner that they would begin encrypting all channels on or after 2 Dec 2014. But, reading between the lines, I am thinking that it is copy protection you are complaining about, which is a quite different thing from encrypting. It has been asserted in another thread that the copy protection of network channels is allowed by FCC rules if all channels are encrypted; whether or not this is true I certain hope it is not being done here. In Westchester at least, a few miles north of you, we have not gotten copy protection flags set from any broadcast programming as of yesterday. I'll keep an eye on this.

    And now I see that "Jeopardy" has copy protection set set tonight, as are other network shows recorded today. Damn. Now I need an empty wine bottle with a cork, a rag, and some petrol.

    Edit: It's the next day, and the copy protection flag is no longer set for any of my recorded network shows, including "Jeopardy". WTF? I had no idea this flag could be changed for a show already recorded. Perhaps this is some manifestation of the original problem Phane reported to start this thread.
     
  13. Teeps

    Teeps Active Member

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    All programs recorded last night (major OTA networks) are still copy protected, as indicated by KMTTG program and both of my TiVos... :mad:

    I filed a complaint with FCC last night.

    Today 8 DEC 2014, no change.
    National network broadcast is still copy protected according to KMTTG.
     
  14. Teeps

    Teeps Active Member

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    8DEC14
    Copy Protection flag has been removed as of yesterday evening.

    So as suddenly as it appeared; it has disappeared.

    I'm glad I waited another day before moving my XL4 to the living room, to join the S1 & S3 TiVos.
     

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