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No HD UI with Premiere ?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by ilkevinli, Mar 28, 2010.

  1. Mar 29, 2010 #41 of 140
    noah82

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    My HD menu was just enabled too...thanks so much for your quick response!!!
     
  2. Mar 29, 2010 #42 of 140
    ilkevinli

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    Thanks Pony ! Mine is now fixed also.
     
  3. Mar 29, 2010 #43 of 140
    vansmack

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    Mine too a reoot, but it's working now - thanks Pony!
     
  4. Mar 29, 2010 #44 of 140
    jbdecker

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    Mine's working too. Definitely not as slow as the reviews but I do see a lot of room for improvement.

    The UI does look great but it feels like a skin. Once you dig deeper you continuously run into old menu's that make the screen flash each time they refresh.
     
  5. Mar 29, 2010 #45 of 140
    jbdecker

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    It is kinda funny since lately all the tech news for the last month has been about working around flash, and improving things with HTML5 since the iPad won't support it. When TiVo announced the whole UI was flash based I thought I was back in 1996.
     
  6. Mar 29, 2010 #46 of 140
    brasscat

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    I think the consensus is Flash has become too widespread as a proprietary multimedia delivery method inside web browsers, and since the code is black-box maintained by Adobe the community can't improve on it, or bug fix it when issues arrive. Apple states the Flash engine for Mac is buggy and the primary cause for browser crashes -- and that Adobe is slow to correct the problem... which is the main reason for the Jobs push-away from Flash to the new HTML5 option.

    Flash on the TiVo box is running native, not as a embedded browser module, and is inherently more stable. In TiVo's case, where they are building essentially a multimedia viewer, it makes sense over supporting a codebase of propriety C objects (which they admit was difficult to support over time).

    We'll see how they do with incremental updates in the months to come. Updates to the previous TiVo models were rare. It would be great if this new TiVo was faster with updates, especially in finishing out the UI, adding performance improvements, and enabling that second core.
     
  7. Mar 30, 2010 #47 of 140
    gweempose

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    Am I the only one that thinks it is unlikely they will ever enable the second core? Granted, I am not privy to any technical knowledge relating to the matter, but my gut just tells me that it will never happen.
     
  8. Mar 30, 2010 #48 of 140
    orangeboy

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    Has it been confirmed by TiVo that the second core is not being used? I would think it unlikely that they'd knowingly not write the software to take advantage of it. If so, why choose that processor? To start from scratch (re)writing software to take advantage of it at some later time? :confused:
     
  9. Mar 30, 2010 #49 of 140
    rainwater

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    Unfortunately, that article discussing the use of the CPU cores sounds way off base. It is almost impossible to think that both cores aren't being used at the operating system level. I think the article may be referring to the use of the UI layer to take advantage of both cores more effectively. Right now they are most likely relying on the OS to make all those decisions.
     
  10. Mar 30, 2010 #50 of 140
    Dark Helmet

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    I am confident that both cores will be used eventually (I think rainwater has it right; it sounds like the UI isn't multithreaded, probably the OS can make use of both cores, but that's just a guess).

    I remember back when the S3 came out, and there were lots of people who were sure we would never see TiVoToGo and MRV working, the eSATA port enabled ... and while it took a while, now we all take those things for granted. I'm sure most everyone has forgotten all of the moaning and wailing back from when the S3 first came out!
     
  11. Mar 30, 2010 #51 of 140
    ilh

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    I'll bet both cores are being used by the kernel (OS), and that it is simply that threading in the UI application is not yet enabled. I wonder if this contributes to the very good transfer speeds since one core is generally idle and able to handle transfers.
     
  12. Mar 30, 2010 #52 of 140
    gweempose

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    So you are suggesting that if they get the UI to utilize both cores, it could negatively impact transfer speeds? That would suck.
     
  13. Mar 30, 2010 #53 of 140
    ilh

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    Not necessarily. Hopefully the CPU isn't too intimately involved in the ethernet traffic. Is the CPU involved in any encryption/decryption on such transfers? I can't remember where that happens on a TiVo and on which end of a transfer.
     
  14. Mar 30, 2010 #54 of 140
    brasscat

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    I agree the second core is probably being used at the os/hardware level.

    I learned about the "inactive" second core from an interview with the TiVo guys at the announcement - -where some TiVo PR guy mentioned that the "second core is currently turned off due to stability issues" and that it would eventually be turned on with later updates.

    To me this implies they expect a performance increase once they tune the software to parallel process against that second core.
     
  15. Mar 30, 2010 #55 of 140
    sghrush

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    I completed the service update for my Tivo Premiere but it states HD UI is turned off. Hopefully TivoPony's magical powers can fix it.
     
  16. Mar 30, 2010 #56 of 140
    RoyK

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    Yup. Just like the capability to do 2 tuners on one M-Card on the S3 was to eventually be turned on with later updates. Oh, ... wait a minute...
     
  17. Mar 30, 2010 #57 of 140
    TiVoPony

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    Actually Roy, that was never promised, and I posted that while technically feasible, it was not likely to happen - it involved big changes that could destabilize things.

    If you're going to ding us, ding us for things we actually promised. ;)

    Pony
     
  18. Mar 30, 2010 #58 of 140
    TiVoPony

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    Yes, the second core is not currently enabled. The software can take advantage of it, but it's not ready to release yet. Still, due to the architecture of that chip you don't get double the performance by enabling the second core, there are too many shared resources on the chip between the two cores. You do see a boost however.

    Cheers,
    Pony
     
  19. Mar 30, 2010 #59 of 140
    orangeboy

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    Thanks Pony for clearing that up for me! I just didn't make sense to me to have the software written to not take advantage of the dual core, and then spend the time and resources to write software that would. I'm glad to hear that it was "done right" the first time, and now it's just a matter of tweaking it to TiVo's (and hopefully the user's) satisfaction.
     
  20. Mar 30, 2010 #60 of 140
    lessd

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    So from you explanation it would fair for us to assume that at this point the use of a single M cable card in the Series 3 648 will never happen, I don't have a problem with that because, as you pointed out it, was never promised, just hinted at. I do love the Series 3(s) for many reasons and fixing them so i could use one M card would save me only $1.50/month for each Series 3.
     

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