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No Cable Cards Tivo Roamio with Cable

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by shfawaz, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. apw2607

    apw2607 New Member

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    If you don't have a cablecard and use digital cable (or even the clear qam channels) you'll get no channel mapping from real channels to virtual ones used by the cable company and channel gudie. This means the guide data will be next to useless. This is for all tivo roamio s. doesn't matter if its 4 tuners or 6. You'll just get a bunch of useless qam channel numbers in the guide with "no info".
     
  2. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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  3. mattack

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    It *sounds* like his cable company might be providing all of the PSIP data properly so it is "just working" without a cable card. (Years ago, there was some guy who I think still posts here, who also had a Tivo working without cable card..)

    But they're intended to be used with cable card, and it might just stop working at some point, might not notice networks changing which frequency they're using, etc.. which would cause you to miss recordings.

    So basically, try it out, but it's really only supposed to work with a cable card.. (unfortunately -- read the old thread about QAM remapping in the S3 forum.)
     
  4. holycrap

    holycrap New Member

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    I've tried a Roamio Pro and an XL4 in NYC on Fios without a cable card. I get nothing but a black screen.
     
  5. moedaman

    moedaman New Member

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    I subscribe to WOW! cable and they do a great job with clear QAM signals. Both of my tv's with clear QAM tuners tune in the 90+ digital basic channels with the guide channel numbers and not the crazy clear QAM channel numbers. But I am using a cable card with my Tivo. I really don't like to watch sd if I can help it.

    And shfawaz, don't you have any hdtv's? WOW! only charges $3.50 more for the cable card, and there are 59 hd channels in that package.
     
  6. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I had that with a ton of channels here on TWC after pairing the card. i also noticed when i went into the cablecard and TA screens to "Test Channels" it said i didnt have any digital channels...huh?!?!?! i also looked at the dvr diagnostics screen and it was listing every channel as "analog".....double huh?!?!?! so what I did was do a channel scan first from the channel menu, then when that was done I went back and did a "Repeat Guided Setup" routine. When it came back online it was like a got a new machine or something!!! The channels changes were FAST, even SDV ones, and best of all, no more black screens or cannot tune this channel messages on SDV!!! I just hope it lasts. :-/
     
  7. shfawaz

    shfawaz New Member

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    All my TV's are HDTV flat panels. I completely understand the charges from WOW. But as it stands, I have five TiVo HD series 3, each requires TWO cable cards to use the dual tuners. That's 10 cable cards or $35.00 a month. For me owning my own DVR shouldn't cost me $7.00 in additional cable fees per box. I'd sooner stick with OTA only and keep $400 in my pocket before I pay that amount. Besides, 90% of what I record come from the networks that do come in HD without a cable card. I can tolerate 22 minutes of John Stewart in SD, which is the only cable show I record. All my network show record just fine as it stands now and I fully use the TiVo guide for my season passes and have not had a single miss.

    I picked my Roamio Plus today and should be able to answer my own question before the weekend is over. Stay tuned.
     
  8. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Do you mean that you have 5 TCD648250 models, or 5 TCD652160 models, each using 2 S cards instead of one M card?
     
  9. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    What you see on the S2DT are analog cable, 'cause that's all that model does.

    As for the S3, I don't know if it's remapping or tuning the analogs as well.

    My S3s tune the analog channels 'cause without cable cards that's all I'm going to get from TWC.
     
  10. shfawaz

    shfawaz New Member

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    These are the OLED Series 3 HD Tivos. It doesn't matter if you use single or Multi-stream cards, it still requires a card for each tuner. These boxes all have upgraded drives and lifetime TIVO subscriptions.
     
  11. drugrep

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    It's no big deal to me, but why in the world did they take away that feature on Plus and Pro?
     
  12. shfawaz

    shfawaz New Member

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    Well good news. I finally jettisoned my Tivo Roamio, installed the Roamio Plus, sans the cable card, and all is working great. Guide is accurate and season passes all record perfectly. Now it's time to replace the HDD to 3Tb. All six tuners are all working. I'm a happy camper.
     
  13. shfawaz

    shfawaz New Member

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    3Tb WD installed and all six tuners recording six HD channels simultaneously. Couldn't be happier. Gonna wait a few weeks then order the lifetime on this box. Anyone know of any deals on the lifetime lower than the $399 MSD price?
     
  14. gols15

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    Hello, shfawaz,

    I hope all is well. I noticed you were able to get your Roamio Plus to work with basic digital cable. Do you have a cable box or just the regular coax cable into the back of the Tivo Roamio box? Are you able to record on all tuners? I am in Canada and none of our cable providers use cable cards. I would love to get a Roamio Plus to work with my cable provider.

    Thanks in advance for your response.


     
  15. shfawaz

    shfawaz New Member

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    Yes, I was able to record on all four tuners without a cable box. The cable was plugged directly into the Roamio. I had to manually scan the channels because it would not tune digital channels without a cablecard, but once the did a channel scan, all the channels I subscribe to are there. I have digital basic, no premium channels, and the only HD channels I get are the locals with their respective national networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox).
     
  16. gols15

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    Hello,

    Thanks for your response. So once you performed a manual scan the channels worked properly? Did the season pass feature work properly? My concern was when I scan channels here in Canada the channel names and data would not be accurate.



     
  17. shfawaz

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    Yes, I did after I went through the initial setup, changing channels would only bring a message that said a cablecard was needed to tune a a particular channel. It actually was on all 100 channels. Once I did a channel scan and added them to the mix, they all worked. Season passes record flawlessly on all six tuners. Channel banners match the programs. Keep in mind not all cable companies have a system where you can bypass having a box. My brother had tried this on his cable system in TN (I think it was comcast) with his premiere and he couldn't get it to work without a cable card. I have 4 Tivo HD's, and a Premiere, and the same trick works on all. It's an extra pain to setup, but once it's setup, it works perfectly. Occasionally my cable company (WOWWay) will realign the channels and I have to rescan because I lose a channel or two, but it's not big deal.
     
  18. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I think from what I've read that you can also buy a Cablecard on eBay that's compatible with your system and then it should work for basic in the clear qam channels without having to rescan.
     
  19. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    That would only work if that card is activated on your cable headend. 99% of cable companies will not work with a cablecard that is not in their system. Their are a few small companies that will let customers bring their own card but no major cable company.
     
  20. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Not true for just basic channels that are broadcast in clear QAM on their cable system. All you have to do is make sure you're using the same one that they use for your area (Motorola, Cisco/SA, etc.). There are numerous reports of this working. You just can't have any premium and pay type channels authorized with it because as you say, it would née to be provisioned on their system, which most won't do. That is what you're referring to, not what I suggested. This gives the proper channel mapping for the guide, etc.
     

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