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No Cable Cards Tivo Roamio with Cable

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by shfawaz, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. Sep 5, 2013 #1 of 77
    shfawaz

    shfawaz New Member

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    Im using a a $199 tivo roamio with my wowway digital cable service without any issues and without installing a cable card. Since I have digital basic i get all 99 SD channels and the 10 local HD national network channels. Although initially it complains that a cable card is necessary to tune in most of the channels, a channel scan pretty much fixes that. I use the same setup with a Tivo Premiere XL-again no cable card and all works well as it does with three other Series 3 HD Tivos.

    Im thinking about going to the plus for six tuners and streaming and wonder if anyone else has been successful in doing a similar setup with a Roamio and if it will work since it differs by the fact that it doesn't have a OTA tuner (even though my cable is in fact plugged into the cable input).

    I remember once trying series 4 that no matter what i did, without a cable card, i couldn't get it to work without a cable card installed. I gambled and tried the Roamio and it worked, I'm hoping a plus will work just the same.
     
  2. Sep 5, 2013 #2 of 77
    jrtroo

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    Let us know if your season passes work. Tuning into a channel is different than using the tivo functionality.
     
  3. Sep 5, 2013 #3 of 77
    shfawaz

    shfawaz New Member

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    Season passes and tivo guide work perfect with no problems. Ive used this method for a few years now with older tivos and so far working fine with Roamio.
     
  4. Sep 5, 2013 #4 of 77
    consumedsoul

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    I think only the basic has the coax connection, so the Plus would need a cable card.
     
  5. Sep 5, 2013 #5 of 77
    speedy2

    speedy2 TivoAddict

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    I was always under the impression that you needed a cable card for digital channels from a cable company to get the proper lineup for scheduling recordings. Is that not still the case?
     
  6. Sep 5, 2013 #6 of 77
    nyjklein

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    I'm pretty sure if your Roamio Basic works with your cable attached to the cable port, then the Roamio Plus/Pro should as well without a CableCard. The CableCard is used for two functions, decrypting encrypted channels and mapping sometimes esoteric cable channel numbers to real life channel numbers. Obviously, you don't need the decryption since you're getting all the channels you want on the Basic without the card. It seems you don't need the mapping function either since your cable company seems to provide those basic channels on their real life channel numbers or else the TiVo Basic's guide and season pass functionality wouldn't work right.

    Jeff
     
  7. Sep 5, 2013 #7 of 77
    Grakthis

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    What?

    If there is no co-ax connection on the Plus, how would you possibly hook up the cable? Does it just teleport from the wall in to the cable card? I am pretty sure you're confused about something here.
     
  8. Sep 5, 2013 #8 of 77
    Arcady

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    There is a coax connection on the TiVo box. There are no coax connectors on CableCARDs.
     
  9. Sep 5, 2013 #9 of 77
    gigaguy

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    ""There is a coax connection on the TiVo box""
    Wha? how can that be, no coaxial to access the cable tv signals?
     
  10. TC25D

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    You might be confusing the fact the Roamio Basic supports Over The Air (OTA), while the Plus and Pro do not. All Roamios have a coax connector on the back.
     
  11. consumedsoul

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    Duh, I was confused, sorry for the misinformation!
     
  12. shfawaz

    shfawaz New Member

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    Thanks for all the resposes. I think i will try the plus and see if that allows me to setup without a cable card. I wonder if the six tuner problem some are having will be also be an issue where tuners five and six are not working for some. I guess maybe since no cable card is involved, that should be a moot issue? Next stop Best Buy for a plus :). Will report my findings.
     
  13. Icarus

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    Interested to see if it works with the plus or pro.

    The cable cards provide decryption services, they allow the box to see the decrypted digital cable channel if it's authorized to do so.

    I can see 74 channels here on an S2DT and an S3 with just the raw cable. I think they are just analog channels, and roamio basic does analog channels. Plus and pro do not. (at least that's what I read here.)

    Keep us posted.

    -David
     
  14. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    No Roamio model will do analog channels. I think you're confusing that with OTA channels that the base model can do that the plus/pro can't, but they're still all digital.
     
  15. Icarus

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    yeah, maybe. So you think the OP's cable co is transmitting channels 1 - 99 digitally but unencrypted?

    -David
     
  16. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    The analog channels are probably simulcast in digital further down the lineup and the Cablecard is being told to remap them to those channels.
     
  17. Icarus

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    There's no cablecards in this scenario.

    -David
     
  18. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Maybe the TiVo is remapping it? I know my channels are coming in that I know are supposed to be analog , by remapping to the digital version here.
     
  19. Icarus

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    without the cable card on a roamio plus or pro? so what channels do you tune to for KHNL as an example?

    On Maui, I'm using the Kahului digital lineup -

    On my S3 with cablecards, and my roamio pro, I get KHNL on channels 8, 88 and 1008. 1008 is KHNL-HD, 88 is digital, and I thought channel 8 is the analog version. At least on the S3 when digital channels were down, you could often still get the feed on channel 8.

    On the S3 with no cablecards and S2DT with no other box (just fed by raw cable), it's channel 8 only.

    ETA: lol, there's a show about Dave Shoji on KHNL now. Pure Hawaii.

    -David
     
  20. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Mine's a pro with a cable card. I have the same channels here on The Big Island. It's just that when I tune to channel 8 on the pro, which I know is digital only, I get the channel. So even though that's normally an analog channel, it senses when that isn't available, finds the digital simulcast, and remaps to the digital version, which is channel 88.
     

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