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New TiVO Coming?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    Not here. Every channel below 100 is analog, and any channel with the same content in the "digital tier" (above 100) is also analog, even on their STB and DVR boxes. I don't even have to look at info to see which are analog; the static in the picture is easy enough to see. This means that almost all of the most-watched cable channels (History, Sci Fi, USA, etc.) are analog, and stupid junk like shopping channels and spanish stuff are digital.
     
  2. jmpage2

    jmpage2 Active Member

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    It seems to me that an awful big assumption is being made that this new unit will not have an analog tuner.
     
  3. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    :up: +1
     
  4. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I thought someone earlier mentioned the savings would come from not having an MPEG encoder, which is needed for analog recording. So if they don't have an MPEG encoder there would be no point in having an analog tuner.
     
  5. sbiller

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    I think the general consensus is that the unit would most likely need an analog tuner w/ associated MPEG encoder to support the current analog channels being delivered by many service providers.

    I haven't seen an estimate as to the cost of analog tuning and MPEG encoding. It might be interesting to see a price breakdown of the piece parts that make up an S3.
     
  6. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    I think better cost savings would come from having a standard box and motherboard design that would support either S2 or S3 feature set depending on the chipset put on the motherboard. use the same analog encoder/decoder and tuner setup for both and you buy in bulk. Then add on the digital tuner and OTA, inputs/outputs associated with that. Viola a low cost S3 that comes down the same factory line as a S2 DT, just specced out differently.

    Getting it on the same factory line is what brings the cost way down versus the current S3 and its high end and very different factory line requirements.
     
  7. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    Technically yes, but then they'd have an S2 DT, since the digital OTA tuner is the same chunk of silicon used to tune digital cable, which means you lose that if you eliminate digital OTA to save costs.
     
  8. Adam1115

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    Wouldn't a lot of savings be streamlining the manufacturing from a process standpoint? Using more 'common' components to replace components that are expensive / hard to find? Maybe reworking the mainboard to do the same thing a little bit differently to cut manufacturing costs? A cheaper remote and chassis? Kind of like the difference between a 240 and 540 series 2?

    I mean, I seriously doubt their going to start from the top and redesign the whole thing so they can lop off some useful features... The software costs to do this would make it easy for this to not make sense.
     
  9. MichaelK

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    I beleive cablecard approval means it MUST support analog cable.
     
  10. MichaelK

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    zero

    cable HD could be worthless at sme point without HDMI.

    (less sure of this but cablecard approval may also require either hdmi or firewire...)
     
  11. MichaelK

    MichaelK New Member

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    not an expert but the cablecard testing procedure can be found here:
    http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downloads/UNI-DIR-ATP-I05-040629.pdf

    on page 158 it says (CORE Interoperability Tests) :

    sure sounds like they expect cablecard devices to tune analog channels.

    (again not an expert so feel free to explain how I'm wrong)
     
  12. MickeS

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    Yes.
     
  13. MichaelK

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    So since it has to do analog cable the only thing they MIGHT have left out is OTA NTSC tuning. Since I don’t think there are yet ATSC tuner chips that don’t include the NTSC tuner, I suspect it will have that too.

    They might leave it out as a differentiator but I don’t know why they would if they already have the code for the S3.
     
  14. ZeoTiVo

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    a note just for clarity - the cable card actually just takes the digital stream off the cable and decrypts it, if needed. then a digital tuner would find the correct part of the digital stream to tune in and provide to the DVR for processing.
    I do not think the analog comes through the cable card but even if it does there is an analog tuner that will find the correct frequency and tune that in to provide to the DVR for processing.

    so cable cards on their own do not gain access to analog or for that matter digital channels. it is a tuner inside the device that will get the specific channel.

    but the statement is correct - if you are cable card certified, the device needs to have an analog tuner
     
  15. Gene S

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    My question is, will this "Lite" version include the hardware to handle switched video SDV? If not, I'll be waiting till S4.
     
  16. sbiller

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    Recommend that you review this thread
    SDV Sightings

    I think they are working on methods to be compatible with SDV but its a crapshoot when and if it will be supported.
     
  17. MickeS

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    It would be pretty pathetic if it didn't at least have some sort of upgrade-path in place.

    But this IS TiVo (the company) we're talking about so I don't rule anything out. ;)
     
  18. SullyND

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    FYP.
     
  19. bicker

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    Savings isn't the whole issue, though. They not only need to cut costs, but they also need to provide an appropriate value/price differentiation between the current S3 and S3 Lite.
     
  20. classicsat

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    OTA NTSC tuning is just software (the hardware being there for analog cable). There is no cost savings eliminating that. They have to "cut" either hardware or features that cost licensing fees.
     

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