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New TiVO Coming?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. Jul 15, 2007 #81 of 421
    classicsat

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    Satellite receivers don't put put MPEG2 though. The output either analog or HDMI, both of which are uncompressed straight video.

    The only cost effective video to encode is SD video, which the Series 2 does just fine.
     
  2. Jul 15, 2007 #82 of 421
    classicsat

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    Because the Series 2 does satellite.

    The Series 3 is made to directly tune digital/ analog OTA and/or cable.
     
  3. Jul 15, 2007 #83 of 421
    bkdtv

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    Satellite data may be digital, but it is also encrypted. Satellite providers like Dish Network (and now DirecTV) have refused to provide Tivo access to their encryption systems, hence Tivo has no way to decrypt and display that digital data.

    The Tivo Series2 is able to record analog SD output from a Dish or DirecTV STB. However, recording high-definition analog output from a Dish or DirecTV STB is very expensive (and involves quality loss), as noted by other posters.
     
  4. Jul 15, 2007 #84 of 421
    peteypete

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    Now Mike, that's not nice!! Speak through your dog or something!
     
  5. Jul 15, 2007 #85 of 421
    jfh3

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    Which is why the idea of anything less than 250GB in the S3lite doesn't make any sense, unless there is a significant cost savings by going with a smaller drive.
     
  6. Jul 15, 2007 #86 of 421
    Arcady

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    Tell me where to buy video without all these silly restrictions, and I will. And the movie I bought from Amazon is only available from two places: Amazon and iTunes. The DVD doesn't come out for months.

    Apple has started on the right path by offering music without all this DRM nonsense. Hopefully it is the first step in unencumbering consumer electronics and opening things up so people can use content they purchase however they want. TiVo seems to be going in the other direction.
     
  7. Jul 15, 2007 #87 of 421
    bicker

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    Funny -- I was thinking the same thing! :D
     
  8. Jul 15, 2007 #88 of 421
    jrm01

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    You would not lose OTA HD, that would be included.

    If the Tivo does not have an analog tuner you would lose the analog channels, even if using the CC.
     
  9. Jul 15, 2007 #89 of 421
    Adam1115

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    Some are moving to 100% digital delivery, some are moving certain channels. But MOST cable companies still offer SIGNIFICANT content on analag. Also, MOST cable companies charge a LOT more for digital cable, cable cards, etc.

    No way am I going to pay an extra $50/mo just to get the 'digital tier' to use my TiVo... Analog for the handful of cable channels I watch on occasion is fine. OTA-HD is all I need.
     
  10. Jul 15, 2007 #90 of 421
    Arcady

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    Many of the channels in my "digital" tier (over 70 channels in fact) are actually analog. This is on Time Warner Cable in Dallas, not some rinky-dink cable company.
     
  11. Jul 15, 2007 #91 of 421
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    My mistake, I assumed that if I was decoding via CC than it had to be in an MPEG-2 transport stream. You are correct that occasionally with my cable provider I have to select the video quality which means that the TiVo analog tuner is tuning and encoding the stream.
     
  12. Jul 15, 2007 #92 of 421
    sbiller

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    Could they eliminate the OTA High Def tuner and still maintain the ability to tune and encode cable provided SD analog channels?
     
  13. Jul 15, 2007 #93 of 421
    HDTiVo

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    My cable company was recently renamed: Non-Rinky-Dink Spite the CableCARD User with Analog When Everyone Else Gets Digital Cable
     
  14. Jul 15, 2007 #94 of 421
    mike_camden

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    Thanks for the tip. I'm using a Motorola DCT-6412; if it's showing QAM 256 for the channel in the inband status, that means the channel is digital? If that's correct. then I guess CCast must be doing all digital simulcast here.
     
  15. Jul 15, 2007 #95 of 421
    bkdtv

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    For the most part, if you have Comcast, you have digital simulcast.

    Just because cable companies offer analog does not mean they don't also offer those channels in digital. In almost every market, save for Chicago, Comcast offers "extended basic" cable service in analog. However, they also offer that same service in digital for the same price (or $1 more, depending on market). If you use an analog tuner, you get the analog versions; if use a STB, you get the digital versions.

    All cable companies are moving to digital because that is the only way they can compete with satellite.
     
  16. Jul 15, 2007 #96 of 421
    moyekj

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    Yes, if it says QAM 256 (or QAM anything) then it's digital. Just note that there are 2 pages of info - one for each tuner. If the information doesn't include the channel number you can change the channel on one tuner and go back to same diagnostics page and see which frequency changed to determine which tuner corresponds to which page.
     
  17. Jul 15, 2007 #97 of 421
    GoHokies!

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    OTA HD = Digital, so yes.

    But it would be stupid.
     
  18. Jul 15, 2007 #98 of 421
    bkdtv

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    Time Warner already does digital simulcast in almost every part of the Dallas / FW area. If you don't get digital simulcast on your Series3, that is probably a headend configuration problem.

    TWC has announced plans to have digital simulcast up in ~100% of its markets (with some SDV in about 75%) by January 2008. That SDV does pose a problem for the Series3, but Verizon FiOS should be available in much of N. Texas by end 2007.
     
  19. Jul 15, 2007 #99 of 421
    wmcbrine

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    Zero. The content cartels want everything to be HDMI. They'd like to see component phased out.
     
  20. Adam1115

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    You're (sort of) right that it appears they have dropped the price of digital. Used to be much more expensive than analog. Looks like here, digital cable is $49.99 a month, "Standard Cable" is $48.99. BUT, you can't get digital cable for $49.99. You need either a STB, that they will happily RENT to you for an ADDITIONAL fee ($9.95/mo) or a CableCARD, which costs a few bucks a month plus an installation fee.

    So really to be fair, digital cable is $3-$10.95 a month more than analog PER OUTLET (so two TV's? Three?).

    But then there's the fact that I have "Basic Cable", which means I get about 25-30 channels, but they won't sell me a cablecard or STB unless I up it to digital cable, which is $35/mo more! They won't even LET me get HBO unless I pay the additional $35/mo. I get all the channels I need, why would I pay so much to see pixilation instead of static on a handful of channels I hardly watch?
     

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