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New TiVO Coming?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. Jul 15, 2007 #61 of 421
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    Some of the biggest issues with the Motorola DVRs are likely to be in firmware, and therefore won't be affected by the deployment of TiVo software on them.

    I agree with you, but a lot -- a lot -- of people here feel that the Motorola DVRs are little better than doorstops. While we disagree with them, we still have to respect their personal preferences in this regard as justification for the market for the S3-lite @ $299, even if configured as per this latest report.

    True, also there is no monthly price advantage either:

    With the TiVo:
    $8.95 for TiVo (with a three-year commitment)
    plus $5.50 for Comcast for two CableCards*; ​

    With the Comcast DVR:
    $13.72 for Comcast (with no commitment)
    -- though that fee from Comcast is going to be going up soon​

    * For those who want to figure it with one CableCard included, you need to recompute the Comcast DVR numbers to match:

    With the TiVo:
    $8.95 for TiVo (with a three-year commitment)
    plus $2.75 for Comcast for one additional CableCards; ​

    With the Comcast DVR:
    $9.95 for Comcast (with no commitment)
    -- though that fee from Comcast is going to be going up soon​

    I doubt that this is the intended market for the box, but surely if MRV works with HD recordings, I think that would represent a pretty significant motivation for current S3 owners to get an S3 Lite.
     
  2. Jul 15, 2007 #62 of 421
    SullyND

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    Digital Data is digital data. Digital data as it enters the home is compressed, as it goes to the TV (via HDMI, etc) is not compressed. Recording non-compressed HD would require exceedingly large hard drives, compressing the video in real time would require technology which is exceedingly expensive.

    DirecTV and DISH do not allow TiVo to record the compressed signal.
     
  3. Jul 15, 2007 #63 of 421
    SullyND

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    TiVo hasn't sold a DVR which is affected by the FCC ruling re:analog tuners for some time.
     
  4. Jul 15, 2007 #64 of 421
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    Just one data-point: We've never used the analog tuner in our S3. YMMV, of course, but in the interest of substantiating a price difference between S3 and S3 Lite, removing the analog tuners is not a bad approach IMHO.
     
  5. Jul 15, 2007 #65 of 421
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    I believe my Cable Cards receive all of the channels offered by my cable service provider, Brighthouse networks. I'm guessing the lack of an analog tuner would be a don't care since I'll receive all of the programming via CC.
     
  6. Jul 15, 2007 #66 of 421
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    Thanks for that clarification.
     
  7. Jul 15, 2007 #67 of 421
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    You've got it backwards: The satellite services have closed their doors to TiVo.
     
  8. Jul 15, 2007 #68 of 421
    hybucket

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    Say what you will, but unlike many other "industry wannabes," he responds to reader's emails, and...well, his site was the first I'd heard of the new TiVO Lite. So I guess he's accomplishing what he wants, and that's inform.
     
  9. Jul 15, 2007 #69 of 421
    TheNumberSix

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    My cable company has 100% digital simulcast in my market, so I'd be very interested in this box.
     
  10. Jul 15, 2007 #70 of 421
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    How do we know if our analog channels are being digital simulcast? I asked a Comcast CSR a few months ago, but itwas obvious that she had no idea what I was talking about.
     
  11. Jul 15, 2007 #71 of 421
    moyekj

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    If you currently have a cable company set top box (or know someone who has one) you can check the box diagnostics while tuned to channels in the analog lineup to see if they are digital or not. For example, if diagnostics report modulation scheme as QAM then you know they are digital. This is how I was originally building up my spreadsheet for my local headend (in my sig). For the Motorola DCTxxx or DCHxxx series you can find details here of getting to diagnostics:
    http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/DCT6412_Passport.html#Tips_and_Tricks

    Obviously with the S3 it's a lot easier to tell from the diagnostics menu if you are tuned to digital or analog stations (among other methods).
     
  12. Jul 15, 2007 #72 of 421
    HDTiVo

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    And then folks come here and we repair the damage. :D
     
  13. Jul 15, 2007 #73 of 421
    HDTiVo

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    If this thing doesn't record/encode analog cable it is going to be a flop. It might not even sell as many as the S3, and that would be disasterous.

    I can't imagine there is a snowball's chance in hell it is going to turn out that way.

    So now I've set myself up for looking stupid. :eek:
     
  14. Jul 15, 2007 #74 of 421
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    What is your reasoning behind this? Most cable cos are moving to a 100% digital delivery model so analog receivers with internal MPEG encoding just doesn't make a lot of sense from a ROI perspective.

    VR, Sam
     
  15. Jul 15, 2007 #75 of 421
    HDTiVo

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    First, there is a lot of debate about that. The FCC Commissioner might want one thing. The rest of the Commission another. Congress may want a third. No one knows what will happen.

    Second, it isn't done now, however TiVo is selling the box now. Maybe they could sell that in one or two years, at which point this box is obsolete anyway from a competitve standpoint; we're already onto the S3-Lite2.

    Third, the family of parts TiVo uses to build these machines has all the functionality built in. I can't see more than a trivial amount of cost savings.

    To offer a box which will not fully satisfy a large portion of the cable market for virtually no cost advantage would be crazy.
     
  16. Jul 15, 2007 #76 of 421
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    Here is another a little bit more clear guide to determining whether a station is true digital or just a remapped analog.

    For those systems using Scientific atlanta equipment (Time Warner for example), here is the guide for those folks.

    Cablecard subscribers of analog remain at near 50%, and it will be a while before cable cajoles them all into taking an stb for all of the TV sets in their home which will otherwise go dark.

    Personally, I am skeptical about this rumor about Tivo lite being all digital, although it is concievable Tivo could chop out those chips from the low end and put analog hookups on a premium S3 that supported satellite as well as cable. Folks wanting analog support without a cable STB could use the S2 DT. So it would give a spread of product offerings.

    I think the most important new Tivo coming is one No One is talking about and everyone has access to (that is, everyone except Comcast Tivo lite). It's Tivo's other half- you use it whenever you use Swivel search, and it's one honking piece of iron that has virtually limitless application possibilities.
     
  17. Jul 15, 2007 #77 of 421
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    Just to be sure I am understanding....

    Any channel that I can get with my current S3 through the cable cards, I will be able to pull with this new receiver?

    Essentially in my case would only lose OTA HD but could use comcast for local HD?
     
  18. Jul 15, 2007 #78 of 421
    Justin Thyme

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    No. Because your cablecard could be mapping an analog channel. As far as you know it is a digital channel, because your lineup says it is in the digital tier, and you are tuning a different number than the analog customers tune to.

    If you are curious about a channel, go to it on the S3 and hit record. If it asks you what quality to record at, its an analog channel.
     
  19. Jul 15, 2007 #79 of 421
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    Only if it supports external STBs.

    Now, they they could make a tunerless Series 2 with only one A/V input for cable, satellite, or IPTV box, but I don't think they'd do that.
     
  20. Jul 15, 2007 #80 of 421
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    No, you paid that price for the right to use the video in a limited fashion for personal use. If you want fewer restrictions, you would pay more from the provider of the video for that right, or purchase from another source or medium that has fewer restrictions. And claiming "personal use" changes nothing. And if you want a DVD, you go buy the DVD.
     

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