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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.
I hope so. Where is the software? Its time to download some Hi Def movies like with the Xbox.
TiVo doesn't know how to excite people about buying their product?
$49 or $99 are considered "impulse buy" price points in the CE world. (To a lesser extent, $149 and $199). I say $99 just because I don't see any practical way to even consider $49.
$299 is still a big ticket item, especially if people incorrectly believe "that cable DVRs are free".
Oh, I see. Of course there is no practical way to price the S3-Lite at $99 in the current context.
I say "finance" it for zero down and an extra $X,Y,Z per month for 1,2,3 years over (more reasonable) service pricing. Of course, you don't present it that way. Its $16.95/mo for 3 years or $18.95/mo for 2 years, or whatever.
Or its $299 and $9.95/mo, or $599 w/ Lifetime, or whatever. Once you go above zero down, forget variability of monthly rates; just give people the choice of an all-in price, or a box price and a low monthly service fee which they can understand the value of.
Note: These numbers are intended to be illustrative of the concepts, not precise prices.
How about TV my way, instead of the MPAA's way?
You mean TiVo has been too submissive to those kinds of interests over the years to its detriment with the consumer?
What I mean is that I shouldn't have to re-encode video through a hacked firewire interface that ignores macrovision in order to get an Amazon unbox video onto a DVD. I paid for the video; I should be able to do what I want with it for my own personal use.
Yeah, except the problem with that is that people say "why am I paying $x for guide data" and don't understand the concept of the "TiVo service".
I'm afraid if you go back to the "bundle service with the box model", that you allow the MSOs to keep the upper hand by marketing "free DVRs".
I'm hoping that S4 will have FOUR TUNERS !! Because there are over hundreds of channels and you have to pick 2 ??
I want a pony.
Steve: Bad news? I'm not happy to hear that. What are you basing your comment on?
Well. That's good news... Is this a prediction or do you have some solid evidence that you can point to?
By end 2007, ~100% of Comcast systems are supposed to have digital simulcast and the other majors (Time Warner, Cox, etc) aren't far behind.
I would bet at least half those that receive analog channels now only do so due to a configuration error at the headend, which prevents the digital simulcast from taking precedence over the analog feeds on the Tivo Series3. As for what will happen with these misconfigured systems when the analog channels are removed, I do not know.
The lack of an analog tuner should only be a problem for those with smaller, independent cable providers, but that represents a small slice of the market. They can always buy the original Series3.
Info provided to major ce retailer by Tivo.
Of course it didn't mention what restrictions may be included, specifically whether cable-provided HDTV would be included.
Isn't the first what is happening now?
Isn't the "bundle service with the box model" going on now?
I want to know...why the S3s don't do satelites? Why is Tivo denying the consumers an option to swich sources.
Would you pay more than 2x the cost of an S3 for one that could do Satellite? The technology to record HD from an external STB is currently not a consumer level technology and is very expensive. The real question is why are satellite companies denying consumers the option of TiVo?
I don't understand why once we have the HD DATA ( either from the CC or Sat box, that DIGITAL DATA can not be recorded to the hard drive.
Isn't Digital Data, digital data. Why would it cost 2x the price to add that feature?
I have no inside news but expect announcements in the next month or so.
As of March the FCC no longer allows TV equipment to be manufactured with only analog tuners. Anything already in the warehouse can continue to be sold, but stores are required to post signs warning consumers that all broadcast TV is scheduled to be digital in Feb 09.
The fall TV retailing season pretty much follows football. New models hit stores in late August/early September and marketing ramps up for the peak around Christmas followed by spring model launches and a clearance sale for Super Bowl.
Manufacturers and retailers will probably have a big push this fal to convince consumers that they need to replace existing analog-only TVs, VCR, etc, rather than buy a converter and wait for the old stuff to die.
Sony, Panasonic, etc, have announced their fall large-screen TV models over the past few weeks but I've noticed a dearth of news about new smaller-size TVs or recorders (VCR/DVR/DVD). They probably realize that sales of analog-only models will dry up once they announce new digital units at the same price points.
So TiVo and the rest have chosen to stay mum, offer big discounts and hope to get rid of as many of the discontinued models as possible over the summer.
This quiet period will also allow TiVo to take advantage of a new generation of hard drives to reduce component costs without cutting capacity. Anything less than 250gb will have limited functionality in the digital era, especially on multi-tuner models.
Just wait a few more weeks and all should be revealed.