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New TiVO Coming?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. dbenrosen

    dbenrosen New Member

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    They did throw us a bone when they let us transfer our lifetime S1 to the S3. Once the S3 price came down a little from the original $800, I jumped at it. Sure, the new TivoHD unit is cheaper, buy I'm happy they gave me the chance to switch. And my S1 is still chugging away recording stuff for the kids under the "free" year of service they gave me for the switch.

    TiVo has given numerous opportunities to switch a lifetime S1 to a newer box, both with the S2 and with the S3. Just because you didn't take advantage of it at the time doesn't mean they should do it again. Remember that TiVo isn't generating any money on your lifetime subscription. Letting you extend that to a new box doesn't generate any new revenue for them either.
     
  2. TVerBeek

    TVerBeek New Member

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    But it would make me more likely to buy a new TiVo HD, which is more money than they'll get from me if I don't. I didn't take advantage of the chance to transfer my lifetime subscription from my S1 to an S2 because the S2 was crippled (no OTA recording) and therefore useless to me, and I didn't bite for a transfer to the S3 because that box was overconfigured and overpriced. I understand and agree that TiVo doesn't owe me a transfer, but it would be both courteous and an arguably good business decision to give me the same chance others have had, now that they have a replacement for my S1 that actually meets my requirements.
     
  3. David Scavo

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    I think at $299 for the box and $199 for a LT transfer, they are making more than a little profit there...

    I am just making a public request. I can already record in HD with TIVO (HR10-250). Surely TiVO would prefer my $500 to the $1 a month they get from DirecTV for my TiVo usage.
     
  4. David Scavo

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    Several. For me, none of the offers were compelling enough (S2 too limited, S3 too expensive). It was my choice, I agree...

    I don't see how you can say they don't generate money on a PAID Lifetime transfer. They make money on the box and on the $199 lifetime transfer. It actually REDUCES their cost to service my sub, since service data now comes over the Internet and not expensive dialup modem pool. So TIVO gets a profit on the hardware, reduces their service cost, and gets $199 to spread over 4 years. Sounds like a win for TiVo and a win for Series 1 users.

    They certainly will not make as much as if I signed up for a 3 year contract, but I am not willing to pay through the nose per month when I get HD recording and multiple SD recorders (all using TIVO technology) from DirecTV for free each month (whichs nets TIVO a cool $1 per month).
     
  5. David Scavo

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    Well said, TVerBeek.
     
  6. bicker

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    You're just one guy. What matters is how many current lifetime subscribers will still buy a new TiVo HD while keeping lifetime on their aging S1s and S2s. They could readily trump you.
     
  7. David Scavo

    David Scavo Member

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    You are probably right on there....

    I can certainly see where it is a LOT harder for S1 folks to turn down $299 vs $799 / $499. Personally, I can already record HD with TiVo (HR10-250), so I can afford to wait :)
     
  8. TVerBeek

    TVerBeek New Member

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    Or they might not. I think you overestimate the number of people who want two or more TiVos around the house. (The folks who populate this forum and boast about their TiVo farms are not exactly representative of the market, or the installed base.) When I heard about this new model, I thought briefly about keeping the S1 and taking advantage of the MSD to get cheaper monthly service for the HD... but what would I actually do with the S1? I'd have little use for it, and even less after analog OTA goes dark. I'd rather sell it to some poor satellite or analog cable subscriber, and it's in TiVo Inc's interest for it to have the lifetime service removed from it (i.e. transferred to my hypothetical new TiVo HD) before I do that, so it can snag them a new monthly subscriber, rather than continuing to be a no-income albatross for them to support.

    I should add that charging me $199 to transfer my lifetime service wouldn't feel a whole lot different to me than charging me $199 for lifetime service in the first place. That wouldn't be a "transfer"; it'd be an offer to again sell me lifetime service, on a new box, at the original price. Still a kind gesture of appreciation to an early supporter, but not exactly a bank-breaking sacrifice on their part.
     
  9. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    I doubt TiVo makes a profit at $299.99
     
  10. bicker

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    Well, time will tell. I'm pretty sure that you're wrong about that. The people who put out the big bucks for lifetime in the first place are often those who are so committed to TiVo to be happy to have two or more.

    Neither are lifetime subscribers. I'm not even sure which group would have a greater percentage of enthusiasts -- the membership of this website, or lifetime subscribers -- but both would almost surely have a far greater percentage of enthusiasts than the market or the installed base.

    I think you perhaps don't really know whether or not it would be a sacrifice on their part or not.
     
  11. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    $199 is probably not practical for real Lifetime, but TiVo is probably coming around to realize they hurt themselves badly by dropping it completely.
     
  12. crouch

    crouch New Member

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    Aren't you grandfathered into a free transfer of lifetime service?

    I noted your join date to this forum was in December 1999. If you bought your Series 1 at that time (I think before January 27, 2000), you should be grandfathered in to one free transfer of your lifetime subscription. Do a search on this site for the code that you should reference when talking to the Tivo rep.
     
  13. David Scavo

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    I went monthly for a few months before I went lifetime (box prices of $499 were a killer back then). So I don't think I am technically eligible for the transfer.
     
  14. TVerBeek

    TVerBeek New Member

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    Hi, there. I'd like to introduce myself. I paid for lifetime service way back when because it was a blindingly obvious better deal than month-to-month, and I have no interest in owning two or more TiVos. You now have a data set of two rather than just your own subjective viewpoint.
    And you do? Get over yourself, dude.
     
  15. bicker

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    You are just one more person.

    As I said: Time will tell.
     
  16. GoHokies!

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    Actually, bicker's been around here and involved in discussions about lifetime and Tivo's business for a long time, so he does have a bit of an idea of what he's talking about. You may have to challenge that narrow worldview of yours and accept the fact that someone may know something that you don't.

    Tearing someone else down generally isn't the best way to build yourself up, "dude".
     
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    TVerBeek

    TVerBeek New Member

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    Hanging around here and chatting with other fanatics doesn't give one much perspective on the rest of the market, which is what he imagines himself to be a mind-reading expert on. I'm not here to earn points, or find same-thinking friends, so I don't mind challenging him on that.
     
  18. Aug 1, 2007 #418 of 421
    MickeS

    MickeS New Member

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    FWIW, I'm another single-TiVo with Lifetime user. :)

    Well, until I bought the Series 3 earlier this year.
     
  19. Aug 1, 2007 #419 of 421
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    I had a poll in coffeehouse on who was waiting on lifetime transfer to buy a TiVoHD. The people in the forum who responded and wanted to buy a TiVo HD overwhelmingly said they would wait for a lifetime transfer.

    however I also see a lot of new faces and ids in the forums, clearly indicating the TiVop HD has generated a large amount of interest. If this translates into the TiVo HD selling well then TiVo really has no marketing incentive to offer the transfer at any price. the only value left is to move more people off of S1 lifetimes, which doers not seem to be enough in itself yet. I also wonder if TiVo is leaving the lifetime transfer as an advantage for buying the higher priced original S3 HD model
     
  20. Aug 1, 2007 #420 of 421
    bicker

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    Don't confuse him with facts, please. ;)
     

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