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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.
I'm sorry, but... WTF? No analog tuner? That doesn't make any sense. It can't be right.
What's the benefit if the HDD is the same size as Motorola 6412 Comcast DVR, when by then the Moto box will run Tivo software also? (and can record analog cable channels, and handle SDV/PPV/VOD)?
OK, it does the network stuff, but... this seems to be kind of cross-marketing...?
90% of the benefit of S3 over the Moto box is the bigger HDD and stable interface. Kind of hard to justify $300 price over a free Comcast DVR...
I'm all for cheaper & more Tivo boxes, just seems a bit strange planning...
but the TTG/MRV news if true is very welcome indeed (and that WOULD make a big difference to getting a real Tivo Lite box vs Comcast box.)
I agree. That is the way it was presented, but I'm hoping that it was done in error. I know it would save money (not much), but it's hard to believe they would cut this.
I currently have Comcrap Extended Basic, and get every channel in digital except one very obscure PBS channel in analog. This did not increase my payment of about $40 per month, but is only available through a Cable card. And the quality is better than analog.
Since Comcrap wants to delete the analog channels, and probably will by 2010, this decision would eliminate one of 100 channels.
Will it have an eSATA port on it for external storage expansion? The version on Gizmodo gave some indication that this "S3 Lite" might have Cable Card 2.0 support also.
Nice to see TiVo will be shipping the DVR I said 17 months ago they should make at the price I said 12 months ago they should charge.
More Signs of Lite
I wouldn't give that blog much credibility since the author labels the S3 a fiasco, which couldn't be further from the truth.
From a financial perspective it probably is a disaster. Weak sales of the S3 certainly haven't helped Tivo.
I agree- As many of us here know- a very large percentage of channels in the "Digital" tier are actually delivered in Analog. About 85% of the channels I record are analog.
So I think someone's imagination has gone off the deep end. They are guessing that analog is not necessary after the OTA shutoff. Not so- it is nearly 50% of the cable sub market. Total Analog.
If you want to watch analog on a big screen, the best idea is to either get an Algolith flea upscaler for $995 or get an S3, because the cable boxes just don't do the job.
I'm amazed that anyone still bothers to read "news" from Swanni, one of the most clueless and pompous industry wannabe's out there.
Surprised that the hard drive is going to be smaller than 250GB - you would think Tivo would want larger capacity than the standard MSO DVR as a selling point, assuming they ever do a "Tivo to cable" comparasion chart.
Smart moves by Tivo. At least for my case:
1/2 the storage - doesn't matter: in fact it should just sell with a tiny drive big enough for the OS and let the consumer pick a hard drive for the video portion.
No THX - not sure really what THX certification really gives you other than bragging rights?
Digital-only tuners - Don't care. With cablecards there are no analog channels in my lineup. From AVS forums it seems like most of the big cable companies are digital simulcasting most or all channels in analog lineup. NOTE: The real cost savings there is not getting rid of NTSC tuners, it's the mpeg encoders.
No front panel display - can't read the darn thing on the S3 anyway.
Standard remote - Never use the OEM remotes, a universal remote is the only way to go.
They should also get rid of the front panel buttons if they haven't already...
Makes me almost regret my 2nd S3 purchase for $400 after rebate... but then again $100 more is not much to fret about.
So what are the odds on them screwing us with no HDMI on the Lite as a model differentiation tactic?
Don't think they would do that but honestly I wouldn't care about that either. I hate the DRM-loaded HDMI output anyway and component looks just as good to me on my 47" Westinghouse LCD without the hassles or problems.
I have mixed feelings about this. Personally I would just as soon take it for less $$ with no HD. Anything they ship is going to be useless to me.
On the other hand, from a market standpoint, doing less than 250 GB for the cheap-o-s3-lite makes me uncomfortable. (Edit: I'll dovetail this into my belief that TiVo is about to ship/price the right DVR for last year's market.)
It is absurd that the so-called premium S3 still ships with only a 250GB HD. Perhaps they have so many sitting in the warehouse that they are still selling off.
I'll guess less than 0%.
Which is also going to be my guess for lack of analog recording capability.
I agree with you that whatever size drive will be useless to me, as I'll replace it, but we aren't the target market. And, if they make the external hard drive connection officially supported with the software update and offer a Tivo-branded "plug and play" external drive option, much like the Tivo-branded wireless G adapter, then the size of the shipping harddrive won't really matter.
I don't really care about the size of the hard drive in the "premium" S3 either, for the same reason. I'm not going to lose any sleep over "how come the S3lite is pretty much the same as the S3, but $500 less" - all I want to see is Tivo significantly increase the number of S3 boxes of either variety in the marketplace ASAP.
Another thought - if the S3lite is indeed as rumored and is at $299, why would Tivo continue to market the S2DT?
Does the S3lite become "the" TiVo box?
What is the right DVR/price for this year's market?
For the general market, I am not very enthusiastic about adding an external hard drive.
No, the S2 market still has some life in it. Why throw away the 30, 50, even 80K Gross Ads per quarter you could still get at current prices?
The questionable one is the S3. I see very little reason for its continued existence. If they lower the price to $399 you have to wonder if they lose too much money on it. Above that, there are not going to be enough takers to make it worthwhile.
Like I said when the S3 was introduced, its not going to bother me if they grab some low hanging fanboys for $299 for a short while. But they need to come down $50, maybe $70 for XMAS to really hit it big. So I hope they can afford that.
Also, they need to have the guts to believe that their subs will stick around a while and dump the commitment/$16.95 cr@p that is retarding sales.
For the box per se, more of a DMR which can support accessing content from a broad range of internet sources, and support various standard formats and DRM, and particularly protected WMV. And a bigger HD.
I agree, but if there is little functional difference between the S3s - why care? Have a firesale to blow out remaining stock and leave a few for high-end AV "status" dealers to sell.
The magic price point would seem to be $99.
Agreed, especially for used boxes. And the standard monthly service charge should be less than whatever the average MSO DVR rental is.
Can't the S3 do all that with the appropriate software?
500gb drives cost $47 in bulk. Why would they even continue to deal with 250gb, let alone smaller junk?