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New TiVO Coming?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TC Club

    Dec 1, 2000
    If both were available when I bought my S3 I still would have bought the S3. I definitely think there's a market for them still.
  2. megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

    Mar 3, 2002
    My review.

    TiVo HD Photos

    There are some errors in the thread - the ViXS chip isn't the encoder, there are two Philips/NXT SAA7138CHL encoders. One chained off each ATI Theater 314. I'm curious what the ViXS XCode-2115 is doing myself.

    There are 6 RAM chips - 2x8MB, one for each encoder chain, and 4x32MB for the main memory.

    There are other, more interesting things in there - like the A/V *input* traces, and the 3rd SATA header. ;-)

    As for TiVoToGo/MRV. I was told is is coming later this year and it will use the network, just like the S2. Not the coax.
  3. bicker

    bicker Gruff

    Nov 9, 2003
    Evangelism doesn't pay the bills. The "core" is whatever is necessary to sustain a profitable market offering, even if that varies from what original evangelists want it to be.
  4. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

    May 10, 2002
    Could be transrating.
  5. Adam1115

    Adam1115 20,000!!!

    Dec 15, 2003
    It's clear (to me) that they designed both units and intended to start with the first Series 3 and replace it when supplies ran out. It seems like they did not expect to sell as many Series 3's as they did, and are now coming out with this less than a year after the release.

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

    Jan 6, 2000
    Is it correct to say that your opinion is that TiVo is going to discontinue the S3 once current supplies run out?
  7. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    From your review:

    According to page two of NANYA's product guide, the NT5DS32M16BS-5U is 512Mbit part, aka 64MB. Four of them translates to 256MB.

    If 128Mb of that is devoted to system memory, then the other half must be devoted to the ViXS XCode?

    This January press release probably gives a hint:
    It looks like Tivo is using a variation of the 2121 to provide the CableCard / MCARD interfaces and encoding / transcoding. As a bonus, it may also support SD->HD and HD->SD transcoding for MRV with Tivo Series2 units.
  8. vman41

    vman41 Omega Consumer

    Jun 18, 2002
    Where are going with dropping any 'series' designation in the model name? Do they not expect an eventually replacement for the TiVo HD? The 'Series 2' moniker seemed to cover a fairly broad range of models, but they don't want the new unit considered as a series 3.
  9. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

    Apr 18, 2002
    Hm, I wonder if they'll be moving HD files. And if so, how long is it going to take?
    What makes you think that?
  10. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

    Nov 27, 2002
    Good, I feel less stupid. You've been very helpful. Now let's send Dave to Picture Taking of Review Unit Guts school. :)
    Good stuff. I went to bed thinking the TiVo HD may have some very interesting hardware capabilities the S3 does not. I look forward to learing more.

    One thing I wonder is in what way the TiVo HD is the same platform as the S3? With these different chips it seems somewhat different, perhaps even its own platform as in a seperate direction to functionality.

    Denny says they are working on not being resolution restricted. Sounds like another death match leading to a long wait to me.
  11. stevereis

    stevereis New Member

    Feb 23, 2006
    The Philip 7138's are not MPEG encoders, just analog to digital converters (encoders) for both the video and audio:http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/literature/9397/75015903.pdf
    Interesting thing to note is that they can accept 480p progressive component inputs (not that the new box has them).
  12. GoHokies!

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

    Sep 21, 2005
    Do you have any actual evidence to back up that wild claim? If the unit was designed so long ago, why were there a 6 month gap in between when Tivo announced they were "working on it" to release?

    If you're going to make outragous statements like this, you may want to supply some form of evidence.
  13. aindik

    aindik Active Member

    Jan 23, 2002
    Seems like a form of what economists call "price discrimination," getting people who are willing to pay more to pay more. They release one thing and price it at $800, capturing the full $800 from everyone willing to spend $800 or more on an HD DVR. When the supply of those people is exhausted, then introduce the $300 model to capture everyone else.

    Why not just price the thing at $800 until it stops selling and then reduce the price to $300? PR is better when you introduce a cheaper unit, rather than cutting a price of a unit whose price you could have started that low.

    No evidence, just a theory.
  14. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

    Nov 27, 2002

    I am reading your review and wanted to point this out about the 3rd Sata connection; it is something I wrote about last year and it hit me last night when I saw the transcoder. The possibility of transcoding to DVD format of HD content (and SD) to be burned via a DVD burner.

    Some other thoughts:

    I don't get the front CC card slots with the expense of a door. You put the cards in once (hopefully) and never access them. Seems like a big waste - unless TiVo is resigned to CCs being highly troublesome.

    Are the same Hybrid modes still there? Are there new output modes?

    With all the chip changes, etc., how is this really the S3 platform?
  15. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

    Oct 14, 2004
    The AV input and what looks like IR/Serial ports (ala Series2) is very interesting indeed. If the 3rd SATA port is for a DVD burner, then perhaps the AV input could be used to import content not only as regular TiVo content, but also to burn to disc. With the IR/Serial, one could control a regular STB, but I don't see why you would want to.
  16. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    The Broadcom BCM7401 CPU integrates the BCM7038 and BCM7411 found in the S3 platform. That higher-level software code should be backward compatible.

    But you are right, the new TivoHD will need separate drivers for its new tuners, encodes, and CableCard interface. The ViXS XCode CableCard interface is quite different from that in the Series3, so MCARD support for the TivoHD can't be directly ported to the Series3.
  17. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

    Nov 27, 2002

    Does the lack of Broadcom chips represent a major departure from TiVo being a Broadcom shop? How much software work went into making this move?

    I am thinking TiVo got a customized version of the ViXS 2100 line for itself.

    With all that's in this unit, I find it hard to see enough savings to justify the lower retail price without some HW subsidy. I think their strategy is a bit changed on that.

    You mention the platform taking over the S2, but with the cost of the design, I wonder if that's possible, or how it could be made to be so.
  18. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Active Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    This might actually be interesting to satellite users OTA digital/HD + satellite SD on one box. It would make staying with Tivo when I go HD easier. I most likely would also have a dish HD DVR but having a HD OTA Tivo that could also control another dish STB would be useful.

  19. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    Where do you get a service plan for $6.95?
  20. aindik

    aindik Active Member

    Jan 23, 2002
    Multi-Service Discount with a three year agreement. (I have a Series 2 TiVo with lifetime service).

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