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New TiVO Coming?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. MickeS

    MickeS New Member

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    MRV via coax? How? the Series 3 and the HD don't even have coax outputs.
     
  2. stevereis

    stevereis New Member

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    The VIXS XCode 2115 chipset in megazone's photos looks interesting...

    This link has the specs for the 2111:
    http://www.vixs.com/sections/products/xcode_2100/products_xcode_2111.htm

    Note that it can to HD to SD transcoding and even MPEG2-HD to MPEG4 HD transcode. So, theoretically, TiVo could enable a down-rez function for MRV (would probably have to do it in the background and disable viewing since this is probably the only decoder in the box). They could also enable an HD 're-compress' function to squeeze HD shows you want to archive for longer term to MPEG4 so they take less HDD space.

    I do not see H.264 or VC-1 support in the 2111 but the 2115 may have it. If not, that may limit the formats that the S3 line may eventually support for PC transfers since they would probably limit to the formats both boxes could display.
     
  3. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    From Reuters:
    Its a good thing the S3 sold according to expectations :rolleyes: or they might have 'em on hand until 2010.

    ROFLMAO!
     
  4. supasta

    supasta New Member

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    I would be suprised to see the current S3 model continue to be produced. I see the TiVoHD as a replacement.
     
  5. ldc3000

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    From Tivo faq

    How is TiVo HD different from the TiVo Series3 HD Digital Media Recorder?

    Both products are designed on the Series3 architecture so the core TiVo functionality is the same. However, the TiVo Series3 HD Digital Media Recorder will remain as our premium HD DVR product with features such as a bigger hard drive (250gb), THX Certification, front panel display and a programmable, back-lit remote control.
     
  6. btwyx

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  7. supasta

    supasta New Member

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    Sorry, people are not going to pay $300 more for the exact same thing minus a fancy remote($30) and 90GB of storage($?? but with the soon available upgrade eSATA drives from BB this is more the case)
     
  8. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    Some of the specifications posted earlier to this thread were off the mark. From zatz blurry shots, it looks like:

    TivoHD Specifications (TCD652160)
    - BCM7401 DVR CPU w/ integrated MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 decoders
    - 2x ATI Theater 314 based tuners
    - 2x Philips/NXT SAA7138CHL ADC, each with 16MB RAM (2x NT5DS8M16FS-5T)
    - VIXS XCode 2115 IC (CableCard interface + 2x MP@ML encoder)
    - 256Mb DDR400 SDRAM (4x NANYA NT5DS32M16BS-5U)
    - 160GB Western Digital WD1600AVBS SATA hard drive
    - Xilinx Spartan-? FPGA
    - Cheaper PCB w/o PCI slots
    - eSATA

    Updated: July 24
     
  9. aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

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    This thing at $299 down plus $6.95 a month, versus the cable DVR at $0 down and 11.95 a month. Break-even is at about 70 months. This thing won't last 6 years, so there must be some value added for the increased price over the cable DVR.

    Estimate it lasts for 3 years. Present value of 36 monthly payments of $6.95 (assuming 5% interest) is $231.89. Plus $299 box fee makes the present value to own and use for 36 months to be $530.89. Present value of 36 monthly payments of $11.95 is $398.72. Difference is $132.17, or $3.96 a month. Plus the cost of cablecards. That's the cost of the TiVo service. Worth it?
     
  10. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

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    I'm in CA and my box is in MD, but I think there might have been more than 4 Nanya chips. Maybe 6 or 8 total? When Megazone shows up, he can probably tell us.
    Comcast gives me my cards for free. :cool:
     
  11. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    Did you notice any differences in tuning QAM channels between the Series3 and SeriesHD? Quoting from the ATI Theater site:
    Did you see anything to suggest that the equalization in the TivoHD might be better than the Series3?
     
  12. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    Where are those pics?

    It wasn't clear to me that the MPEG 4 transcode was HD? What is ASP L5?

    What catches my eye is the MSDRM and Real Networks DRM. Could this lead to protected WMV content being available?

    Does the S3 have any of this too?
     
  13. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    ASP5 L5 is the MPEG-4 (Part 2) profile that allows for frame rates up to 720x576 @ 30 fps.

    Tthe previous poster misunderstood. The XCode 2111 doesn't do MPEG-2 HD to MPEG-4 HD.

    The original Series3 used a Broadcom BCM7042. Broadcom doesn't have the datasheet for their part, but a BCM7041 is basically two BCM7042 encoders on a single chip. It has no means to encode or transcode to MPEG-4.
     
  14. riddick21

    riddick21 New Member

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    I think TiVo can get away with charging a premium for the S3. They should probably bump up the hard drive space but I think there is a market for people who want the best of the best in their HT setup and this usually includes THX certification. Just because you don't find a use for it doesn't mean no one will.
     
  15. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    I thought so about the S3. Someone said tonight it has a transcoder too. So they were wrong.

    One thing about the specs:

    The next to last line HDTV --> HDTV. What does that mean then?
     
  16. bkdtv

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    The full specifications for the BCM7041 aren't published. It may do HD MPEG-2 -> SD MPEG-2 transcoding. Broadcom's part with MPEG-4 encoding and transcoding is the BCM7043, and it's not done yet.

    I don't know. Passthrough, maybe? But for HD encoding, it would need to say MP@HL. For HD transcoding, it would need to say High Profile (HP), not Advanced Simple Profile (ASP).

    More curious is the specifications state "Single D1 MPEG 2/4 (ASP, SP) encode capable." A single XCode 2111 cannot encode two analog streams at once. Edit: The TivoHD uses the 2115, not the 2111, so it's likely that the 2115 adds a second encoder.
     
  17. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    Now that I know where to look... the chip I see in the picture says 2115.

    And there is no 2115 in their product list or found upon a search.
     
  18. DCIFRTHS

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

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    From the information that you currently have, would you say that one platform is better than the other? If so, why?
     
  19. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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