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New TiVO Coming?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    You're kidding, right? You are correct - Tivo makes the money on the service, not the hardware. But it's hard to sell service if you have hardware the masses can't afford. $799 MSRP was a much tougher sell than $299 MSRP.

    For all practical purposes, the Series 2 line is at (or nearing) end of life. If the price point on the "S3 lite" box is as rumored, you can have HD/digital support for essentially the same price as analog. If TTG/MRV is added to the S3 s/w, then I don't really see an advantage of getting an S2 (yes, I know the S3lite will still be slightly more) if your TV signal is OTA or cable.

    (Sat users will still need Series 2)
     
  2. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    And if the sales team hadn't so thoroughly screwed the initial sales (remember the "Lucky 200"?), Tivo could've made a lot more money on the initial S3 sales. :)

    Remember - the S3 was the first box sold without a hardware subsidy. I suspect there will be a little h/w subsidy in the S3lite.

    I was one of the early adopters and don't mind one bit that I bought an S3 with an "early adopter tax" (though I paid about $680 each for my two from a local retailer and price matching when Tivo couldn't take $799).

    I raise my eyebrows a bit with the 160GB drive, though that's slightly better than the vast majority most of the existing cable DVRs in the field, and less of an issue if Tivo makes eSata plug and play like the Tivo wireless G (my Dad isn't ready for a Kickstart sequence, he can handle plugging in a cable and rebooting).

    Edit: Changed 180GB to 160GB
     
  3. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    As Mega suggested, take the technical specs with a big grain of salt. The tuner listed- the Samsung S5H1411 purportedly gets 30% better reception in heavy multipath (city building reflections) situations, but the announcement for that chip was May 10, and as of Jun 28, the samsung site said it was still in a production status of "sample ready", not "mass production", as is the S5H1409- the 2005 model getting 30% worse reception.

    So really- we can have fun guessing, but beyond what the screen dumps from Amazon said, don't assume too much. The folks that know what this beastie has got under the hood aren't talking, and the retail sites that did leak info were way too vague to specify anything interesting.
     
  4. jrm01

    jrm01 New Member

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    Yeah I was one of the early guys who paid $799 8 months ago, so I guess I'm p***ed.

    I also bought a 57" 1080p DLP 18 months ago for $3200 and now it's $2000.

    I also bought a Toshiba laptop 13 months ago for $1100, now it's $700.

    I also bought a ...........oh forget it. I'm just p***ed! :( :( :( :)
     
  5. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    Of course, given the number of boxes Tivo is selling these days, maybe a Samsung production status of "sample ready" isn't that much of a problem ... :)
     
  6. doormat

    doormat New Member

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    $300 is a great value for a HD TiVo. I hope this does become reality, as it'll get me to buy one. At that point I worry less about SDV and the off chance of the box becoming a doorstop in 3 years. I dont need the OLED screen, THX certification and eSATA (I'll just throw in a bigger HD every two years). Not having a TiVo on my HDTV is really starting to bother me. I might even get rid of my S2 box in my room (just because I need to stop laying in bed every night until midnight watching TV... I might just get rid of the TV too).
     
  7. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    The way you are spending money, I'd be surprised if you had a pot to piss in. :p

    That's brutal. :D

    Raise 'em just a bit more; its 160. :eek:
     
  8. nhaigh

    nhaigh New Member

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    I bought a 60" TV, TiVo S3 and HT System the week the S3 came out. I'd been hanging on until its release. All of it is much cheaper now, but I've had the enjoyment of it all this time. No regrets at all.
     
  9. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    I wonder if there will be any smaller cable companies buying these boxes to use to rent to their own customers? (The cable co-op marketing deal from a while back)
     
  10. GoHokies!

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

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    That makes two of us. I actually bought the TV in late August on the rumors of "coming soon" and suffered through the cable company crap for about a month before Comcast could come and take it away and give me my cable cards, and that month just reinforced the fact that I made the right decision jumping when I did. I've had a great 10 months of HD and have been loving it! :D
     
  11. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    What would happen on the "service" end?
     
  12. jrm01

    jrm01 New Member

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    I don't. My ex-wife got that. :p
     
  13. tibruk

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    Okay, hate to bring up this question but here goes. Everyone is saying a retail price of $299.99. Will there be a different price if bought with a subscription deal?

    Tibruk
     
  14. pkscout

    pkscout Active Member

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    Sure, with a three year subscription it will be $598. :D
     
  15. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    You had an excellent pre-nup. Congrats. :up: :) :up:

    Since November, TiVo has been keeping the retail prices on par with the bundle prices for the DT. I think the S3-lite is more likely to follow that.
     
  16. Dajad

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    It surprises me how many people are upset because a cheaper unit is coming out. This reminds me of the Parable of the Talents (I believe). Hey, if you thought the unit was worth what you paid for it, why bregrudge someone else getting a better deal. I bought the S3 last November and I have no regrets. I bought my PS3 2 months ago and now Sony is lowering the price. That's life. I'm happy to see the price go down so more people can enjoy these products (not that there is much to enjoy on the PS3 right now however! :) ).
     
  17. eddyj

    eddyj SeƱor Member TCF Club

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    And the early S3 adopters were able to transfer their lifetime to those boxes.
     
  18. Mike20878

    Mike20878 Jake & Adam's dad

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  19. BobCamp1

    BobCamp1 Active Member

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    If the two were the same except for HD space, you'd think the part number would 2080 instead of 3080. So something else could be different.

    Maybe the 3080 is not a DVR as such, but something you would use as a regular set top box and as a receiver for MRV. It would only need a small HD (80 GB) to store the OS and to act as a buffer for the show being streamed. Maybe single-tuner HD only with one CableCard. No need for eSATA. Just a simple box to plug into your bedroom TV.

    So you'd buy one big Tivo, and a bunch of mini-Tivos. This is how Verizon does MRV -- the regular HD set top boxes can stream directly from the main DVR.
     
  20. rmassey

    rmassey Damn, these are fun!

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    OK, so I just bought an s3 w/ the $200 rebate, net cost $400.

    New S3L will be $299.
    For +$100 I get... 1) +90 gb of storage (250 vs 160 on S3L), 2) a better remote, 3) THX cert. and 4) OLED Display, 5) a nicer case + 6) eSata port - will the S3L have this or not?

    Works for me :) that seems to be worth $100 IMO. No complaints here. Plus I get to use my S3 now rather than wait for the S3L release.
     

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