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New TiVO Coming?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. Hogues92

    Hogues92 New Member

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    I have one mcard in the correct slot on my Tivo (Comcast only had one card at the time and it took me 3 visits to get that). As of know it is only working with one tuner. Unless I'm doing something wrong, it appears that this feature has not been enabled yet. I'm hoping for it soon because I don't think I can stomach another round with Comcast.
     
  2. Riblet2000

    Riblet2000 New Member

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    Hey, if it works for Apple... :cool:

    This is great news.
     
  3. bown

    bown New Member

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    the engadget article says that the OLED was axed for the Tivo lite. It also comes with the regular S2 remote.
     
  4. Dan Clarke

    Dan Clarke New Member

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    If this is true and they bring back limited lifetime transfers, I'm buying this in a heartbeat.

    I would *LOVE* to get rid of this turd Motorola 6412. Oh no, I lose VOD? How will I live, not being able to see PBS Sprout or Fuse or whatever stupid stuff is on there! It's not like it's in HD or anything!
     
  5. wolflord11

    wolflord11 Lord of Darkness

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    If all works out, then I would be p***ed if I had purchased a Series 3 and paid Full price.

    But I suppose if you had the Money to purchase a Series 3 in the first place, then you have nothing to complain about :D
     
  6. MickeS

    MickeS New Member

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    Good point. If the speculation here is true, there isn't much in terms of actual usability that sets the units apart. The hard drive size is a non-issue for many since it will be upgraded anyway.

    I can't see the value in keeping the S3 in production anymore when this unit comes out, unless they significantly drop the MSRP (to maybe $399) and leave that as the option for those who want a bigger hard drive right out of the box.
     
  7. HiDefGator

    HiDefGator New Member

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    I think I suggested this several months back. It doesn't make sense to keep producing both if the original S3 still isn't selling well. It's unlikely the S3-Lite will increase sales of the original S3.
     
  8. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    yah, just like you do not see TiVo selling single tuner S2 models anymore - but they still get software updates and those extra features work the same.

    The S3 line will be the same though the original S3 has the premium factor going for it that might keep it around in limited quantity
     
  9. stevereis

    stevereis New Member

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    I made this post in April '06 based on info I found, from you, among others:
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=3968916&&#post3968916. This is the info originally posted, with some edits now that the S2DT and S3 are now out.

     
  10. Dan Clarke

    Dan Clarke New Member

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    Totally OT, but Tivo.com is selling "refurb" Series 3 for $499 right now ...
     
  11. pkscout

    pkscout Active Member

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    I'll admit to a small amount of frustration, as it will have been a little less than a year between the $800 S3 and the supposedly $300 S3 Lite. OK, I probably wouldn't care at all if I had bought the S3 on day one. I got my at the end of December because our HD TiVo died and I didn't want to have to sign another contract to get DirecTV's new non-TiVo.

    But really, I'm barely upset at all. The S3 has been good to me and for me.
     
  12. MickeS

    MickeS New Member

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    I'm a little upset, since I bought mine last month. But that's life when it comes to CE. You can't stop progress. :)
     
  13. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    FCC regulations state that Comcast must provide you any number of cablecards that you desire.

    However, the S3 will treat any installed MCard as an SCard until all of the following occurs:
    • Cablelabs certifies the S3 as an MCard Host (this may have happened, but there is no proof).
    • The server that supports the cable lines for your neighborhood is updated to support MCards. Unless the cable company needed to distibute new MCard set top boxes in your neighborhood, there is nothing requiring them to upgrade.
    • Tivo downloads the MCard software update to Series 3's. No such announcement has been made.

    I see no announcement from Cablelabs that ANY Tivo has achieved certification for M-Card operation (M-UDCP host certification). Nor, for that matter, Mcard Host certification for Any device from ANY company. That is more than a little bit surprizing given that the Cable industry promised we would have MCard support by this time last year. It's startling because you would have to have two $1400 OCUR cablecard readers to do what one S3 does, so the computer industry is a heck of a lot more motivated to get MCard Host certification complete, and yet I see no mention of their certifications for MCArd.

    I wonder if devices could be certified and there be no Cablelabs announcement. I wonder if Moto and SciAtl boxes using MCards have to be certified. It seems to me that they definately would have to be using certified SCards and MCards in their new boxes after 7/1/2007 ban. But it also seems to me that it wouldn't be fair if the Cableco boxes only trivially used the Cablecards whereas third parties had to fully use them. The only way to verify this would be to require cablelabs certification for the cableco provided boxes as well.
     
  14. pkscout

    pkscout Active Member

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    It'll only be surprising if we still don't have it in 2010. If the cable companies are only a year behind their "promise" with regards to multi-stream cable cards then that's par for the course.

    There hasn't been anything fair about the process to date, why should anything change now. ;)
     
  15. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Well there are cable companies already deploying the Moto DCH3416 to customers, so I have to presume there is an M-card in the back slot of those. In my local cable AVS forum I asked a poster to check the back of his DCH3416 but it looks like cable card slot in the back has a screwed in metal plate over it (probably to prevent tampering) so you can't see if there is a card in there or not unless it is removed (which he didn't want to do). Maybe it is possible to use the DCH without removable security (since it's backwards compatible with DCT) but that would seem to violate the spirit of the FCC regulation (and would seem pointless for cable companies to deploy as such).
     
  16. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    Anyone who can't get the necessary cablecards from their cablecompany- the fastest way to resolve it is to call Tivo support. They have dealt with this before and know how to read the riot act to the local cable company. It's a pretty serious violation, and the local management may simply be ignorant that they are violating federal regulations.

    Or you can make a complaint to the FCC directly:
    http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints_general.html

    The regulation is:
     
  17. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    Hey Ars Technica- have the decency to credit the specific person. Bkdtv scooped this. He came up with the model number, specs you quoted and the suggestion to google for the model number to find pictures/ confirmation from multiple retail sites.

    Apparently Megazone discovered this way back on July 4th, but since he was under NDA, he decided it would be unethical to release info. He searched for Tivo HD on Froogle and it gave him a model number. Actually the hit is still there. Using the model number in Google gave him everything because amazon and everyone us has their copy up on the net on hidden pages that the google crawler found.

    Mega says he is skeptical about the specs posted since he has seen no confirmation. More on the TivoLovers site.
     
  18. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    Per the pricing and recent rebate on the S3.

    I have noticed that local retailer stock on the original S3 at Best Buy, Circuit and others has been depleted ever since the $200 rebate ran.

    I am getting suspicious now that the rebate might have been used to bring down the inventory level on the S3 box to make way for this new S3 Lite box.
     
  19. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    So I guess the new one should have even better tuners. It looks like a good deal. As long as the hard drive can be upgraded I can go without the OLED panel and get this for a 4th unit. If they have a lifetime transfer I might be able to get my girlfriend one to replace one of the Lifetime Series 2 single tuner units she has. I still have to finish convincing her to get an HD set. It took me 5 years to convince her to get a TiVo.(Actually accept the TiVos as a birthday present)
     

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