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New TiVO Coming?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by hybucket, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Unless the "lite" performs better than the original S-3 I really don't see the point of it.
    Tivo makes their money on the service not such much on the units. I have seen too many consumer electronic products go from quality to cheap. It happened to VCR's, DVD recorders seem to be going that route also. Unless a company is subsidizing the price of a unit cheaper usually means something changed. And finally if this is built in China it will never be in this house.
  2. SullyND

    SullyND L:45-21 TCF Club

    Dec 30, 2004
    Chicago Burbs
    Tastes great, less filling.

    Assuming the S3 continues in it's current form, would seem it could use at least a boost in HD capacity.
  3. jrm01

    jrm01 New Member

    Oct 17, 2003
    It's development name was Fusion, but they seem to be leaning toward just calling it Tivo HD.
  4. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

    May 10, 2002
    Tampa, FL
    One point on the current S3 is that it is a very good tuner/receiver/upscaler. Personally, my SD channels look a lot better on the S3 then they did via a Scientific Atlanta cable box. I'm not sure if that is related to the THX certification, but it has great picture quality. I'm very interested to see if the new S3-lite matches the PQ of the S3.
  5. ncbagwell

    ncbagwell New Member

    Feb 15, 2005
    Cary, NC
    I like the sound of this but I still need an answer on MRV and TTCB before I snap it up.
  6. joewmaki

    joewmaki New Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    This could be the real 'lite' aspect, if it doesn't have the eSATA port. But then, the port use is not officially supported yet anyway.
  7. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    There's not much difference in performance. Broadcom claims 450 DMIPs for its cheapest integrated solution as compared to 420 DMIPs for the older chip in the Series3. Both run at 300MHz and have the same 32Kb data and 32Kb instruction caches.

    Basically, the new model does everything the current S3 does...it just takes advantage of newer, cheaper, and more highly integrated parts to simplify board design.
  8. vstone

    vstone New Member

    May 11, 2002
    What's the BCM7411 MPEG-4 decoder used for? Internet downloads?

    How much is a DOCSIS 2 chip? (for two way comms)
  9. MickeS

    MickeS New Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    It's not used for anything currently, but otherwise, yeah I guess they intend to possible use it with downloaded material.
  10. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2006
    It will be presumably useful for the forthcoming MRV/TTG/TTCB capability as a means to play mpeg4 files on your S3 from your PC via Tivo Desktop.
  11. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

    Mar 29, 2005
    As Micke intimated, looks like a page out of the Tivo playbook with the of the 2.0 to 2.5 board transition. I sure do hope the decoder won't jitter on high bitrate Hidef like what I saw in the S3 tests when I had TivoBack temporarily running. I can grumble about there not being more memory headroom and power in the video post processing but jeez this is impressive from a less appreciated aspect of what good engineering staffs do.

    This price point and being final this early in the season will have the channel full with time to spare for Christmas. Battles are won or lost by putting metal on target, where give or take a few months doesn't cut it. I think part of this story that's getting missed here is that the S3 lite delivery is a demonstration of world class schedule discipline. Anyway, I'd like to see some good close up photos of the board, and to hear which chips are certain/ which are still speculative.

    The ease of eSata upgrades will make such aftermarket upgrades a lot simpler and common for a broad market.

    Really, some folks just want to time shift one or two shows rather than have a VOD like system with a thousand movies available on their Tivo.

    Anyway- congratulations to the Tivo Hardware team.
  12. pkscout

    pkscout Active Member

    Jan 10, 2003
    Honolulu, HI
    Here I am. And I'm unwilling to believe this rumor based simply on a better picture. When I see an announcement I will believe it. Until then I won't. I don't see how TiVo can shave $500 off the price of the box just by dropping the OLED panel, the fancy remote, and the THX certification. Unless they've decided to lose money on every box and make it up in volume. ;)
  13. xnevergiveinx

    xnevergiveinx New Member

    Apr 5, 2004
    i think this new tivo box is what will keep me with tivo. my series 2 is decent, but having s-video for the best picture quality and only being able to record at 480i is starting to turn out bad on my new hdtv
    also, it's only a single tuner
    i have been getting along with my series 2 box because i have been watching it on an old crt

    i'm very happy for tivo's decision to make an affordable series 3 box, now i won't have to stray from tivo and be even more unhappy with a time warner dvr or something
  14. MickeS

    MickeS New Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Maybe your cats helped them out with that too! :)
  15. wolflord11

    wolflord11 Lord of Darkness

    Jan 16, 2007
    So does this mean when the Tivo Series 3 Lite comes out, sales will increase alot, as the Price of the Series 3 has been a major issue to alot of folks...I for one may look at it, after working out all the costs of changing to cable and that...

    BUT: the sales of the Original Series 3 will drop alot. Why pay double the price for something that does the same job? Sure you do not have the fancy Front Panel, the better remote and all that, but then again, those parts could always be Sold by Tivo as upgrades to the unit :D

    The introduction of the Series 3 Lite could be the death of the Original Series 3. Looking at it this way, the Series 3 has had the shortest lifespan of any Tivo unit.
  16. SugarBowl

    SugarBowl Member

    Jan 4, 2007
    Cary, NC
    Seems like the series 3 was just an IPO of sorts, to raise money from the diehards, and gain another year of development on the real product.
  17. jgerry

    jgerry save vinyl

    Aug 29, 2001
    As long as it takes CableCards and isn't a crappy Motorola DVR, I'm in. SATA port enabled for more storage would be a nice bonus too.
  18. davecramer74

    davecramer74 New Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    Looks like the earlier posts are correct. Just a slimmed down model wtih cheaper m/b and power supply and smaller hard drive. No SDV or VOD support. Ill be waiting longer i guess, sucks!.
  19. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    Unless TiVo changed their product numbering scheme;

    I wonder what the difference is between the 652 and 653 units are (besides HDD size)?

    Does the second digit being 5 mean anything? Usually Tivo branded units have a 4 there. I interpret that may be another CE partner selling them.

    The 080 part means, at least in traditional TiVo product numbering, and 80 GB HDD. Could that be a digital SD only Series 3?
  20. Revolutionary

    Revolutionary Too sleepy for TV...

    Dec 1, 2004
    You've got it backward. The Series3 was the bleeding edge moneymaker, the proceeds from which bankrolled development of the S3-Lite. The S3 was over priced. They'll shave $100 off production, $300 off the sticker, and still end up with a profitable commodity box that we think is a steal because we've been innoculated by the overpriced Series3. ;)

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