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New Sepinwall article on the origins of Lost

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Turtleboy, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Wow, the book is $6.99 Kindle, $16.99 paperback.. Big difference!
  2. Waldorf

    Waldorf Super Duper Member

    Oct 4, 2002
    Phoenix, AZ
    While any sufficiently advanced technology could be indistinguishable from "magic", we'll have to disagree on the turn the show took. :) The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. To simply write it off as mystical, spritual, and unexplainable was a bit of a letdown for sci-fi nerds like me. I definitely enjoyed the ride, though.
  3. philw1776

    philw1776 Active Member

    Jan 19, 2002
    Seacoast NH
    One last time. The show was conceived as Sci-Fi, somewaht along the lines of stuff Crichton used to write. "Hard" SF is based on science and then extrapolates sideways. You actually might live long enough to see nanobots. Or they may never be feasible; that's what SF is about,

    Why not unicorns and faeries and pixie dust per your thinking?
    Are you Carlton Cruz?
  4. mooseAndSquirrel

    mooseAndSquirrel Well-Known Member

    Aug 31, 2001
    Whatsamatta U
    Well, I think that's exactly what many of us are saying. Except for the last season it was a great show. Then it went to purgatory via a Deus ex Machina.

    It left me feeling like X files. Great show, very disappointing ending. Hopefully they won't have a Lost movie to have an even worse ending. But I enjoyed it until I didn't. The reason Lost gets special anger is because I was led to believe that it was building to an incredible "reveal." not, as has been amusingly pointed out, pixie dust.
  5. wprager

    wprager Active Member

    Feb 19, 2006
    Ottawa, Canada
  6. rondotcom

    rondotcom I Like To Watch

    Feb 12, 2005

    Still don't get the hate for the ending. Makes me shallow, I guess. ok. I can live with that.
  7. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    As far as I'm concerned, time travel and teleportation and nanobots are no different than unicorns and faries and pixie dust from a plausibility standpoint. It's just that time travel and teleportation and nanobots are infinitely more interesting. But using any of them makes a story no longer grounded in our world and doesn't allow the show to be explained with science.

    And by the way, it's "Cuse." ;)
  8. WO312

    WO312 Active Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    I agree with you. In my view, there were two endings. In the real world, the ending was Jack dying on the island. In the "purgatory" world, it was Jack finally realizing he was living in purgatory. That story would have had to start after he had died in the real world, but it was confusing to us because we were watching both stories side-by-side.

    I rather enjoyed both endings. I thought it was especially cool that they ended with Jack's eyes closing in death, the opposite of starting with Jack's eyes opening on the island. Don't recall anybody on TCF speculating on that.
  9. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    The sad thing is, that's what Lindelof meant all those years when he said they knew the ending when they wrote the beginning. That, and nothing else...but his insistence that they "knew the ending" led many of us to believe that he meant something more substantive than just the framing of the last shot.
  10. Waldorf

    Waldorf Super Duper Member

    Oct 4, 2002
    Phoenix, AZ
    As a man of science (heh), I have to point out that there is actual research and results around teleportation and nanotechnology while "unicorns and fairies" provide no testable hypotheses.

    I didn't hate the ending as many did. I was just a bit disappointed that it went the way it did with sideways flash world, most of the first season characters hanging out in some non-denomination church (what happened to Michael and Walt?), and other stuff I can't recall because I haven't seen it since original air date. I do recall thinking I would rather have seen the curtains pulled back to reveal the overarching electromagnetic and other experiments from Egyptian times to present and whether they were Earth-based or other-worldly in nature.

    The way it wrapped with Sheppard explaining "you all created this place together" and the afterlifey stuff, I think appealed to a certain demographic I am not a part of. :) I enjoyed the show as a whole and didn't hate the finale. It just wasn't for me.
  11. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    And the reason I hated the ending (maybe too strong a word, but maybe not) is that for years the show seemed to be headed towards something completely different, that would appeal directly to MY demographic and not all those silly fuzzy-minded new-agers who loved the ending.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that... :D
  12. WO312

    WO312 Active Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    So I'm a fuzzy-minded new-ager. Did not know that before, but I guess you learn something new every day. :p
  13. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000

    Hopefully, it will be clear that I'm poking fun more at the debate itself than the actual fuzzy-minded new-agers or rigid science-minded logical pedants.
  14. DancnDude

    DancnDude Thrice as nice TCF Club

    Feb 7, 2001
    Madison, WI
  15. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    That's actually the perfect description for this show...The ride!! To me Lost was like taking a summer adventure cross country from say NY to California (which I did as a kid). You stop at all these cool places along the way, maybe some unusual things happen that you didn't expect and were pleasantly surprised about. Then you finally get to California, and it's congested and filled with smog and are totally disappointed. Thus, the trip there was a lot better than the ultimate destination.

    I'm not at all a sci-fi geek, and honestly, it wasn't that they moved from a story based on science to a story based on faith (and we were told a number of times that THAT was part of the story). For me it was that they took such a complete turn away from the whole plot line for five seasons and made the characters we followed for five seasons and the stories we followed for five seasons and made them irrelevant and that all we have been watching was a fight between two brothers. It was COMPLETELY different than what we watched for five seasons. The whole battle between the Losties and The Others, the hatch, Dharma, all of it really was a back story to get to two brothers fighting?
  16. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

    Nov 14, 2001
    Houston, TX
    Well, yes, according to the excerpt from the Sepinwall book.
  17. Queue

    Queue UnbowdUnbentUnbrokn

    Apr 6, 2009
    I thought I had read on here in the Lost threads that the producers were saying they had a plan all along. But according the article they really didn't. They had ideas but weren't sure where it was going. And they didn't have the mythology of the island planned out until S2. When they were already establishing mysteries in S1.

    I'm with some other posters on here, I want to go back and watch from the beginning, but I know I'll be disappointed at the end so I never do.
  18. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    They claimed all along that they had a plan. I can't remember the exact wording Lindelof used, but it was along the lines of "We knew the ending when we wrote the first word."

    After the show ended, he revealed that all he meant by that was they had the image of Jack's eyes opening & closing in mind.
  19. Polcamilla

    Polcamilla -b±√(b^2 - 4ac)/2a

    Nov 7, 2001

    (I think it was mid second season that I decided to stop even remotely trying to figure out the "mystery of the island" and just watch the episodes and enjoy. I liked the whole series and I never went nanners like so many other Lost fans.)

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