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New S3 software 11.0m

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by cassiusdrow, Jul 4, 2013.

  1. Jul 13, 2013 #61 of 158
    dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    If all this update does is correct the expired cookie problem, they can take forever rolling it as far as I'm concerned. Now if they've added some tuning retries to fight SDV tuning failures, I'm getting excited.
     
  2. Jul 14, 2013 #62 of 158
    HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    I'd guess we're still in the initial testing rollout which is usually 2 weeks before general rollout. I haven't seen it yet on either of my S3 OLED's or the HD.

    Scott
     
  3. Jul 15, 2013 #63 of 158
    wtkflhn

    wtkflhn Member

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    I forced many re-connects to get 11.0m on my other 2 machines to no avail. I'm glad to hear it is still rolling, albeit slowly.

    Don H.
     
  4. Jul 15, 2013 #64 of 158
    aaronw

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    Speaking of updates, I just got a stuck transfer going from my Premiere to my S3 HD and I have no idea how to unstick it. There's something in the recording history about a show unable to transfer due to error, and gives 12/31/69 as an error date. I've tried rebooting the S3 HD several times, turning off and on the video downloads via the website (a,a,a -> i,i,i and back) and every time I start a transfer it thinks about it for a bit, then puts on the blue light and says 'this transfer will start after other transfers have finished', and then that new one shows up in the to-do list but I can't find the 'old' one anywhere. Any other ideas?
     
  5. Jul 15, 2013 #65 of 158
    wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    That's a bit like hitting the elevator button repeatedly. ;) TiVo has already scheduled a day for your TiVo to be updated;* when it makes its daily call that day is when it will get the update, and not before. At most, you can shave a few hours off the update time by forcing a call, if you happen to already be at the appointed day.

    * This may not be literally true -- I don't have inside knowledge -- but functionally, this is how it appears to work. I can tell you for certain that it's not based on "in X calls from now", nor is it a random probability that's invariant with each call (such that increasing the number of calls increases your chances).
     
  6. Jul 15, 2013 #66 of 158
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    You have two Tivos involved in this. Did you restart the Premiere too?
     
  7. Jul 15, 2013 #67 of 158
    aaronw

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    I didn't try restarting the Premiere, but I suppose maybe the S3 signals to the premiere "Hey, give me this show" and the Premiere says "hey, you forgot this one" and then the S3 says "what show?" and it gets confused. I'll try restarting the Premiere tonight and see if that makes it better.
     
  8. Jul 16, 2013 #68 of 158
    morac

    morac Cat God

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    The easiest way to fix problems like these is reboot both boxes at the same time. It doesn't need to be exactly at the same time, but you should restart the 2nd box before the 1st box gets to the almost there screen.
     
  9. Jul 16, 2013 #69 of 158
    aaronw

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    And looks like restarting the premiere has solved the issue - I did a transfer after rebooting it and it worked fine.
     
  10. Jul 17, 2013 #70 of 158
    Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    The question I had is was it good advice? What exactly are you fixing if it ain't broke?

    Prior to me having reboot problems with kmttg I think my HD had been up for over 6 months. My premier last rebooted on the last software release. I didn't realize they needed "regular maintenance". Now if it were windowz machines with memory leaks I could see an occasional reboot just to reclaim resources but I never saw the need to do anything but let mine do what they do best...
     
  11. Jul 17, 2013 #71 of 158
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Since my original SHARING, of that I routinely (at least every 6 months between), do a KickStart 52, which is technically called an "emergency software reinstall", on all of my TiVo HD units, a firestorm ensued...

    All it does, is install a copy of the current software to the alternate boot/system partitions, and switches the TiVo over to use those, instead.

    If you consider the situation of the current Premiere models, this scenario happens, roughly every six months, except NEW software is installed.

    With the TiVo HD not receiving any new updates for years now, except the update this thread is about, which is an exception, it does not read/write/seek to the non-active partitions, and this leads to unbalanced wear/tear on the drive.

    I've nuked all models of TiVos left and right doing unnecessary KickStarts, with the EXCEPTION of KS52. It's NEVER bricked a unit, for me.

    I've seen people post about the partition switch, at the time of an actual update, bricking their units, because the partition changeover moved the active areas to areas with bad sectors. I have not seen any reports of a KS52 doing this, ALTHOUGH IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE, if the drive is failing.

    I've basically been accused of promoting early drive failure. A bad sector is a bad sector. A bad drive is a bad drive. All I've potentially done, by SHARING what I do (not recommending, or telling people to do), is to expose a drive that is already bad. What I shared will not make a drive bad, or make it bad faster.

    IMHO, what I shared is a (kind of) DIY form of PWL (Pre-emptive Wear Leveling), by making sure that the drive reads/writes/seeks are more balanced, throughout the life of a TiVo that hasn't seen an update for years, or won't ever be seeing one.

    For those who know how to access the TiVo's internal logs, there you will find a plethora of information as to what happens when you do a KS52.

    EDIT/ADD: Is it a good idea? Is it something anybody else should do? Well, that's up to each and every person to decide. Like I said, from the beginning, it's something I do, hasn't caused me any trouble, and has sometimes stabilized a TiVo that seemed to be getting lethargic and/or started to just operate in ways that were not "usual" to me. To each their own. Do what you will. I could care less if I'm the only person who does it. I only shared that I do, along with some reasons why I do it, and how I feel it may be beneficial. If doing this bricks your TiVo, feel free to post about it. It would be the first I've seen of any such report. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen, or hasn't. I just haven't seen any reports of it, myself.

    While my HD units updated to this new software, without a hitch, how sure is anybody that their alternate partitions are fine? I knew mine were, because of the Ping-Pong I played with the existing software twice a year.
     
  12. Jul 18, 2013 #72 of 158
    Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    I see, my HD is hacked so I would have to reapply them if I did this.

    It sounds like it mostly makes you feel better since reinstalling an OS doesn't fix anything unless the old OS was broke. It's not like files wear out or anything like that.
     
  13. Jul 18, 2013 #73 of 158
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I can't comment on the first part. I have no idea.

    Otherwise, like you said, it's not like the files are going to "wear out" by being copied, and it won't break them (unless installed onto bad sectors, which would have to already be bad, or already going bad).
     
  14. Jul 27, 2013 #74 of 158
    moonscape

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    Spoke with Tivo today about my suggestions problem (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9747462#post9747462) and as an aside asked about the 'M' update and she said 'K' was the last one - and would be.

    Guess it's not surprising she had nothing new to bring to the table about my sudden out-of-the-blue suggestions issue!

    I've not gotten the update on my Series 3 or HD either.
     
  15. Jul 27, 2013 #75 of 158
    dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    [sar]GASP a CSR that doesn't have the full info.. that never happens! [/sar]

    m is out there, it's just a slow rollout
     
  16. Jul 27, 2013 #76 of 158
    moonscape

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    Yep :) - that's what I told her ... (not the part about her not knowing squat)
     
  17. Aug 1, 2013 #77 of 158
    wtkflhn

    wtkflhn Member

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    It sure IS a slow roll out. I still have only one of my 3 TIVO's updated.

    D. H.
     
  18. Aug 1, 2013 #78 of 158
    CuriousMark

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    As I recall, they do an initial rollout to a small percentage of users and wait a few weeks to see if there is a spike in support calls and visits. If not, they then sent it to all the rest.
     
  19. Aug 2, 2013 #79 of 158
    HerronScott

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    I was just thinking the same thing. It used to be a 2 week period before general rollout. Neither of mine have gotten the new version yet.

    Scott
     
  20. Aug 2, 2013 #80 of 158
    wtkflhn

    wtkflhn Member

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    I still only have 1 or 3 TIVO's updated. Last night my S3 got a bad Hard drive. I replaced with a new one, I thought maybe that would spark an update. In the past, when I have replaced the drive, they usually have an older version of the software. But this one had 11.0k, and that's what stayed.

    Don H
     

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