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New S3 software 11.0m

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by cassiusdrow, Jul 4, 2013.

  1. Jul 6, 2013 #21 of 158
    HomeUser

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    Good then it is fixed with 11.0m.
    I just tried on my OLED S3 still with 11.0k and it failed with the "Bad Request session id missing" message same with the 240 S2 and 652 TiVo HD
     
  2. Jul 6, 2013 #22 of 158
    MPSAN

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    Teeps

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    Thanks wmcbrine, I would have never known that.

    My S3 648250 (Oled) is still on 11.0k as of today 8July13.
    Make that 1 Aug 13

    Still on 11.0k 5 Sept 2013
     
  4. Jul 8, 2013 #24 of 158
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    No sign of it on any of my TiVo HD units, either.

    I'm not seeing anybody saying "I got the 11.0m update!", except for the O.P. I'm not saying it's not true.

    I'm sure it's a low-priority, slow rollout. I'm in no hurry, if a cookie is all it encompasses.
     
  5. Jul 8, 2013 #25 of 158
    philhu

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    It's been so long since they did a tivohd update, I bet they sent it to a few dozen people to see if they break the systems.

    I bet all the tivo hackers are quakeing in their boots. An update will kill their
    hacked TIVO capabilities and I bet MOST will not remember how to re-hack the systems since it has been so long!!! :)
     
  6. Jul 8, 2013 #26 of 158
    sbourgeo

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    11.0k was released in March 2011, so it hasn't been that long... :p
     
  7. Jul 8, 2013 #27 of 158
    SullyND

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    I wonder how many drives will go bad due to the update... (It's somewhat common due to the way the drives are structured to expose a bad drive via upgrade, isn't it?)
     
  8. Jul 8, 2013 #28 of 158
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Yep. That's why I do a KickStart 52 "emergency software reinstall" every three to six months, minimum. It keeps my software bouncing between partitions, and seems to improve performance, probably by decreasing fragmentation. At minimum, it keeps the wear on the drive platters more even. Due to it basically forcing a software update (that really isn't an update), the TiVo does a LOT of file system checks, like a regular update, just looking for anything that may be wrong, in order to prevent TiVos from bricking, as real software updates are installed.

    For the worrisome folks, I'd recommend running the full battery of Kickstart 54 SMART tests, when they know an update it coming, or before they institute my Ping-Pong KS52 game. That *should* cover all the bases. If it doesn't, the drive was doomed, anyway.
     
  9. Jul 8, 2013 #29 of 158
    morac

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    Updates don't make drives go bad, they just make drives that are already going bad (spontaneous reboots, macro blocking, etc) more likely to simply fail to boot up.
     
  10. Jul 8, 2013 #30 of 158
    morac

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    While it won't hurt a good drive, doing a KS52 can make a "bad" drive fail faster. At best, it does nothing, at worse it can trigger a failure, so it's not the best thing to do frequently.

    KS54 can't fix a bad drive, it can only tell you of the drive is going bad and it doesn't do a good job at that either. Like most SMART tests it's fairly useless. They are not a good predictor of when a drive is about to fail. Google's drive study found that:
    Personally I've had an expander drive completely fail on the TiVo, yet TiVo's KS54 said it was working great. Of course the drive still works great on my PC.
     
  11. Jul 8, 2013 #31 of 158
    nooneuknow

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    Whatever. I've been doing it for YEARS, on four TiVo HDs, and four TiVo Premieres. It's NEVER nuked a drive for me.

    Like I said, in the original post,
     
  12. Jul 8, 2013 #32 of 158
    SullyND

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    Hence "expose a bad drive".
     
  13. Jul 8, 2013 #33 of 158
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Exactly! If it is bad, the next update would bring that to light, anyway. Or, maybe the next one, or the one after that, and so on...

    There's no acceleration of it *becoming* bad, doing what what I proposed, as well as practice, only exposing the fact.

    Uneven wear, which is somewhat addressed by the PWL (Pre-emptive Wear Leveling) feature, which most, if not all, AV rated drives have, which may also be the ONLY AV drive feature that an AV drive puts to use in a TiVo, is there to EXTEND the drive life, by making sure the heads traverse the entire platter surface, from time-to-time.

    So, my idea, is a poor man's PWL technique, if it is used regularly. Otherwise, the inactive partitions, don't get written/read/verified, until the next update, or the next KS 52 initiation.

    I also can attest to the fact that I've had SEVERAL KS 54 SMART tests tell me that my drives were failing the "read element", portion of the tests. Yet, they seemed to be fine. They worked fine. However, WinDLG, from WD told me that they failed SMART as well, during the read test.

    One may argue, that only the manufacturer's utilities can really tell you if a drive is bad. However, it has been my experience that this scenario usually happens ONLY during a full destructive "write zeros" test, or may pop up when you do a full read test, AFTER the writing of the zeros.

    Your mileage may vary, of course...
     
  14. Jul 8, 2013 #34 of 158
    morac

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    There are other ways to tell a drive is bad, though many people incorrectly blame software bugs.
     
  15. Jul 8, 2013 #35 of 158
    morac

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    And I've never done it and my drive is fine, so all you proved is your placebo doesn't hurt anything. Which is what I said, if your drive is good, it won't hurt, but it doesn't help either.
     
  16. Jul 8, 2013 #36 of 158
    nooneuknow

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    Take your cat and go claw somebody else's face off. Troll.
     
  17. Jul 8, 2013 #37 of 158
    morac

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    I'm not trolling, I'm just telling people to ignore your advice to run a kickstart 52 every few months as it's not needed.
     
  18. Jul 9, 2013 #38 of 158
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    So you are TELLING people what to do, or not to do. You even did the selective quoting, and not addressing or counterpointing all the rest. Typical troll behavior.

    I was simply SHARING something I do. I made some observations about doing it and shared them. I didn't go telling people what, or what not, to do.

    Free will, and all... People are free to ignore what I share, or decide to try it. It's not like I told somebody to go drop their drive, or TiVo, four feet or more to fix it. I didn't tell anybody to put their hand on a power supply, while the unit is plugged in. These things are where it makes sense to speak up and tell people "Don't do that!". Since there's plenty of threads, where people are actually giving out advice, like these dangerous/destructive measures, why don't I see you stepping in? I'm sure your answer will be quite amusing...
     
  19. Jul 9, 2013 #39 of 158
    morac

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    I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say I did "selective quoting" as I quoted your entire post. I can only assume you just like to argue, which based on your posts in other threads is likely the case (talking of "typical troll behavior").

    In any case I don't care what you do to your own TiVo, but if you are telling other TiVo users that routine Kickstart 52s are recommended to keep your TiVo in peak condition, I'm going to say "no it's not". No offense, but I have a lot more experience using TiVo software and hardware than you (compare our join dates), so I know what I'm talking about. Plus there's the old adage, if it's not broke, don't fix it. In any case I'm done responding as I've already made my point that there's no reason to perform routine KS 52s.
     
  20. Jul 9, 2013 #40 of 158
    wtkflhn

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    I have 1 S3 TIVO and 2 HD's. One of my HD's the !!.0m software. The S3 and the other HD don't, as of now.

    Don H
     

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