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New program for 1 step TTG downloads, decryption, encoding - kmttg

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by moyekj, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. Apr 20, 2013 #5121 of 10412
    jerry7171

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    Hello everyone,

    I know Google is my friend (albeit the friend who loves to filter what it gives back to me and stack the results, etc) but I'm running into some aggravation and hope someone here might be able to point me in the right direction.

    I joined the TiVo family last Christmas and haven't looked back. I love it! I don't know how I got along without it sometimes as now I don't have to go skanking around the shadier parts of the Internet running down a great documentary I missed part of anymore or want to keep forever.

    I've used KMTTG and MPEG Streamclip along with Handbrake as my workflow since the start with no problems until recently. About roughly a month ago, MPEG Streamclip stopped showing the video in the editor window. Oh sure, I still had audio, but its pretty hard to edit a show based on just audio.

    I have a sinking feeling an update from Apple might be the culprit but I can't correlate anything for sure. All I know is that now I have half a terabyte of programming waiting to be edited before I move it to my PLEX server.

    I'm all but on my knees to beg anyone for help! Is there anything someone can suggest for a Mac user in the way of a reliable editor?

    I clicked on the contact button for MPEG Steamclip but the emails I've sent are all bounced back. I've purchased Adobe Premier 11 Quick Editor for Mac but it doesn't like the MPEG files KMTTG puts out and Adobe's support suggested I find something else to get my files off the TiVo and edit them. *grumble grumble*

    All I want is a quick and easy way to strip out the commercials and put the resulting files back together as a cohesive show without severe audio/video lag.

    My computer is a mid-2011 Mac Mini, 2.3 Intel Core i5, 8 GB ram, 500 GB hd.
     
  2. Apr 21, 2013 #5122 of 10412
    sanjonny

    sanjonny New Member

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    My only suggestion since I don't know what mac software is worthwhile is to run a virtual windows session on the mac and use videoredo. There are other editors out there like womble and a few others, not sure what might work on a mac natively. I cannot say enough good stuff about videoredo though, it just works and is now being actively developed.
     
  3. Apr 22, 2013 #5123 of 10412
    mattack

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    I have had that for a long time. MANY, but not all, videos show no video in MPEG Streamclip.

    I was using an older OS on a previous machine I had.. Then I upgraded to a now work provided machine that has a newer OS, and run into the issue slightly more often.. (Yes, the MPEG 2 plugin is still installed.)

    HOWEVER, Quicktime Player now PLAYS a lot (but not all) of the Tivo downloaded files that it didn't used to. So it's an improvement in some areas, and regression in others. The new Quicktime Player doesn't let you edit anymore, so that's a bad thing.

    But at least it will let you Trim clips.. and I still use it to find in/out points that I then set in MPEG Streamclip to actually edit a recording.. Yes, even when you can't see the video, you can still successfully edit it.

    Yes, this is hokey, but NONE of the programs play every single video. Something like VLC does a huge proportion, but its UI is horrible (IMHO), and either has no or bad editing ability. MPEG Streamclip has the best editing ability (in terms of quickly setting in/out points and then cutting that selection), but of course doesn't play everything.

    So basically, my answer is really "I think you've been lucky". While I've seen a slight increase in # of blank videos in MPEG streamclip, as I said, I've had it on a decent percentage of videos all along.

    I record the VAST majority in SD, in case that matters.
     
  4. Apr 22, 2013 #5124 of 10412
    Fofer

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    Older versions (ie: v7) still available for download and should still work, though, I'd think (with the MPEG 2 plugin installed, as well as QT Pro Registration.)

    http://support.apple.com/downloads/#quicktime

    I just downloaded and installed "QuickTime Player 7 for Mac OS X v10.6.3 or later" and it works fine on my Mountain Lion (OS X 10.8.3) system.
     
  5. Apr 22, 2013 #5125 of 10412
    jerry7171

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    I've been weeding through a tremendous number of different editing programs out there since this started. My post to the group here was a last ditch idea, and as luck would have it, I might have blundered into my own answer after bothering everyone here.

    Adobe Premier did the job and handled almost anything I could throw at it, but it's less expensive version, Adobe Premier 11 Quick Editor, made garbage after I did my edits. I was extremely disappointed with iMovie as it demanded that I convert everything to a proprietary codec before I could do simple edits (I don't have all of eternity to sit and burn while my Mac Mini grinds away for the benefit of iMovie). Avidemux, and a raft of other freeware editors either wouldn't fire up at all or just plain choked and kicked out crash reports before I could open a single file.

    Strangely enough, you know what I've just found? For all my troubles, a simple $9.99 one-trick-pony software from the App Store finally is doing the trick for me -- Shave (yeah, that's the name -- it threw me for a loop the first time I saw it mentioned in a review at Maclife Magazine online).

    I've been using it for the last 24 hours and while it's not the most intuitive editor out there, it gets the job done and is elegant about it. I usually just have it save my files and then I pitch them through Handbrake or MPEG Streamclip to convert to an MP4. So far, so good.
     
  6. Apr 22, 2013 #5126 of 10412
    mattack

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    Yeah, but the old Quicktime doesn't use the *NEW* MPEG 2 support, which supports more files (and most Tivo downloads for example).. That's the conundrum.

    The old Quicktime Player plays many Tivo downloads without audio (in my experience), but IIRC, its editing isn't as accurate as MPEG Streamclip.
     
  7. Apr 22, 2013 #5127 of 10412
    Fofer

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    Thanks jerry, that Shave Video looks nice. Does it have autodetection for commercials or is that something you have to scan/mark/edit manually?
     
  8. Apr 22, 2013 #5128 of 10412
    jerry7171

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    It is extremely bare bones. You have to do the commercial detection by hand. A little bit of a drag, but I'm pretty used to that. I think the only thing that I've found fault with is that for some reason, even when I tried saving the edited files as MP4s, they seemed larger than the source file to start with. So that's why I went with using Handbrake or MPEG Streamclip to do the heavy lifting of final conversion. Extra steps I know, but I'm still on a budget till I can afford to buy a few more terabytes of hd space for my PLEX server.
     
  9. Apr 22, 2013 #5129 of 10412
    lew

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    I now have a P4 and a TivoHD. I notice a dramatic improvement in D/L speed if I download in transport stream format. Do I have to unselect that option before downloading from my TivoHD or does the program know enough not download ts format with older boxes?

    It almost looks like we could use a second configuration file for the S4 units. Not only is there the ts question but autotune doesn't seem to be really needed.
     
  10. Apr 22, 2013 #5130 of 10412
    moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Series 3 units don't support/honor the TS downloads option so you get PS downloads regardless so it doesn't matter. Also series 3 units have even crappier processor speeds than the series 4 units, so PS downloads are slower than PS downloads on series 4 units. Just be aware if you use TS downloads for your P4 that you will need VRD to decrypt it since tivodecode doesn't reliably decrypt TS TiVo files.
     
  11. Apr 23, 2013 #5131 of 10412
    Revolutionary

    Revolutionary Too sleepy for TV...

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    Woke up this morning and found that none of my recordings from last night transferred. I went to the GUI and found that it won't open (windows asks me what program to use to opena .jar). No changes to Java yesterday. Any idea what went wrong? Does it sound like I need to reinstall kmttg or Java? I don't want to lose my kmttg settings - can I access/back them up with out the GUI?
     
  12. Apr 23, 2013 #5132 of 10412
    dslunceford

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    Quick question. I'm updating Handbrake...is there anything I need to do within my KMTTG folder? Delete the "Tivodecode" folder and restart?
     
  13. Apr 23, 2013 #5133 of 10412
    moyekj

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    Sounds like you don't need to touch kmttg but you may want to try re-installing Java.
     
  14. Apr 23, 2013 #5134 of 10412
    innocentfreak

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    I would also make sure you uninstall any old Java versions first. Sometimes Java doesn't remove the old installs and they can cause issues. I think I found 4 versions on my parents' PC.
     
  15. Apr 23, 2013 #5135 of 10412
    howards

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    First thing I would try is just rebooting the computer. On a regular basis, Windows gets itself into strange situations that are cured by a reboot.

    If that doesn't work, then a re-install of Java is the next step. Since Windows is asking you how to open a jar file, kmttg isn't even running yet and can't be part of the problem.
     
  16. Apr 25, 2013 #5136 of 10412
    Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    I have a latest gen AppleTV and am desperately looking for an encoding profile that works with my S2 TiVo's and the AppleTV. So far I either end up with a good video with no audio or a video that plays and sounds good but is compressed in the horizontal dimension. Any solutions?
     
  17. Apr 26, 2013 #5137 of 10412
    txporter

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    S2 Tivos only accept MPEG2 video. Apple TVs only accept H.264/MPEG4/Motion JPEG in various containers. There is no overlap. I would suggest encoding everything to H.264/AAC in a MP4 container and then pulling those video with pytivo to your S2 Tivo which will convert to MPEG2 for you.
     
  18. Apr 26, 2013 #5138 of 10412
    Stormspace

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    OK. I see I need to explain further.

    I want to pull video off of my Tivo and use it on the AppleTV. I'm looking for an encoding profile that doesn't fubar the Apple TV display or audio.
     
  19. Apr 27, 2013 #5139 of 10412
    jcthorne

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    You will want h.264 level 4.1 or below video, AAC 2.0 audio. (Don't know if apple tv was ever updated to support ac3 in an mp4 container, Ipad does not).

    The video will need to be non-anamorphic in the h.264 stream. That is where the problem between mpeg2 and h.264 usually lies is in stretching the video out to a 1:1 PAR.
     
  20. Apr 27, 2013 #5140 of 10412
    moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    v0p9q version released with some minor enhancements and a few fixes. See release_notes for details.
     

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