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Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by moyekj, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. Mar 7, 2013 #4981 of 10413
    innocentfreak

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    The link is in my signature. I think it is research.tivo.com. They changed the link about a year ago.
     
  2. Mar 7, 2013 #4982 of 10413
    lrhorer

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    VARs like Weaknees sell regular Premiere units with 640 hours of HD capacity / 5600 hours SD. Although a VAR is not selling stock units, they are certainly not user upgraded, and they are definitely entitled to TiVo software support at an ordinary level. (Hardware support is a little different issue on these systems.) A recording capacity of 640 hours could easily handle well over 250 shows, let alone 5600 hours worth of SD material.
     
  3. Mar 7, 2013 #4983 of 10413
    Fofer

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    Transferring shows to a PC and then transferring them right back to the new TiVo? That seems like it'd take a REALLLLY long time (double than it needs to) and I'd be concerned about any loss of metadata. One new TiVo should be able to talk to and pull automatically from the one old TiVo. What TiVo, Inc. should understand and embrace is that this function would actually encourage more sales.

    Alas, this is TiVo.
     
  4. Mar 7, 2013 #4984 of 10413
    lew

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    I said your suggestion has some merit. Why don't you make the suggestion to tivo? Use the link provided by a PP. Use facebook or twitter.

    Transferring the shows to a PC then back to your new tivo will take longer but it eliminates the need to have both unit subscribed at the same time. It allows you to easily request multiple shows. It's a solution which works today. We don't know when or even IF tivo will make it easier.
     
  5. Mar 7, 2013 #4985 of 10413
    unitron

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    Well, right now going TiVo to PC (via TiVo Desktop) to TiVo preserves a lot more metadata than going TiVo to TiVo.

    Which is something I wish I hadn't learned the hard way.
     
  6. Mar 7, 2013 #4986 of 10413
    Fofer

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    I've suggested it in the past. I'm one of those people who ALWAYS goes through official channels to report bugs and request features. I enjoy it. For many reasons though, I just don't get any more "warm and fuzzies" when it comes to TiVo. There are some GLARING usability and UI issues that have dogged their products for many, many years, to the point that it's embarrassing. I truly often wonder who (if anyone) is minding the store over there.

    This is good info, thanks.
     
  7. Mar 7, 2013 #4987 of 10413
    lpwcomp

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    Even my stock 320GB Premiere has a reported SD capacity of 414 hours. Both the stock HD XL and Premiere XL have a reported SD capacity of 1,350 hours.

    Unless you leave them on the PC and pull them to the TiVo when you need them, you will lose most of the metadata.
     
  8. Mar 7, 2013 #4988 of 10413
    jtso

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    The way I think about it is that if I want to transfer a show from the computer to the TiVo, I only do it when I'm ready to watch it. I set up a pyTivo pull and it allows me to start watching immediately while the transfer is taking place. Even if I'm pulling MPEG IIs , it transfers faster than real time to a Premiere, so I never notice that second transfer's time.
     
  9. Mar 7, 2013 #4989 of 10413
    Fofer

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    Right, and I'm specifically talking about that moment when I want to buy a new TiVo, but decide against it because it (essentially) means I'd be saying goodbye to the large collection of recordings on my existing one. Since TiVo could programmatically solve that problem, it's annoying to me that they haven't. Any of these methods that we've devised take far too long and require far too much user control.
     
  10. Mar 7, 2013 #4990 of 10413
    christheman

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    Since there aren't any fail-proof RAID Tivos out there with redundant power supplies... All the more reason to just use KMTTG or equivalent to safely offload all shows from the "CPE" (customer premise equipment) to a "DMZ" PC or Mac. :D

    As far as Tivo "metadata" goes, this would include the TV scheduling data that Tivo acquires and then uses to populate their menu and description fields. Am I missing anything else that might be important? Subtitles? Any movie aficionados actually do anything with subtitles?

    As for me, I just offload to a PC. Then I use VideoReDo to salvage the video from the Tivo file, I consider this to be the final part of the crucial transition from CPE to DMZ. Then I make conventional DVD's (without subtitles) that are compatible with stand-alone DVD and Blu-Ray players, which I find to be suitable for my own personal museum. :cool:
     
  11. Mar 7, 2013 #4991 of 10413
    mlippert

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    You can have a single public key that matches multiple private keys? I didn't know that. You would need to know all of the private keys before creating the public key though, right?
     
  12. Mar 7, 2013 #4992 of 10413
    mlippert

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    I wasn't actually talking about being able to play the recorded videos. I was really referring to the fact that we have been able to upgrade our TiVos by getting a new drive and copying an image for the appropriate model of Tivo onto it. That image does not (thankfully) have to be of the original hard drive in your TiVo.

    I've heard (read on this forum somewhere) that no one has figured out yet how to create a truncated image for the Premiere models, however it was implied that a complete hard drive image would work. It's just a pain to ship a 2gb image around for the Elite/Premiere XL4s.
     
  13. Mar 7, 2013 #4993 of 10413
    mlippert

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    Brian,
    I think there's one other issue I haven't seen anyone else mention yet.

    If any of your 700+ recordings are flagged as "copy protected" by the TiVo, I don't know of any way to transfer them anywhere (either to a PC or another TiVo).

    Mike
     
  14. Mar 7, 2013 #4994 of 10413
    lpwcomp

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    2GB is the size of the compressed "image" of a virgin Premiere drive that has reportedly been successfully used to create a replacement drive. The XL4 has a 2TB drive in it.
     
  15. Mar 7, 2013 #4995 of 10413
    lpwcomp

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    Smeek much? That is not what he said and that is not how keys/signatures work.
     
  16. Mar 7, 2013 #4996 of 10413
    lpwcomp

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    Neither subtitles nor CC are part of the metadata. As to whether or not they are important, I guess you know no-one who has or might develop hearing problems. Ah, the arrogance of youth.

    I just love people who think that the way they do things is the "best" way and should therefore be adopted by everyone. Not only that, but just how is your archiving method relevant to a discussion about transferring recordings from one TiVo to another or using a computer for additional storage of recordings that can later be transferred back to a TiVo for viewing?
     
  17. Mar 7, 2013 #4997 of 10413
    Fofer

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    Just curious; do you ever actually watch the shows on those discs? :D
     
  18. Mar 8, 2013 #4998 of 10413
    Soapm

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    Isn't this like buying a new storage locker and filling it with the contents of the old? Where is the room for new? Do yourself a favor and build a storage server so you can reformat the shows and store them for posterity and let the new Tivo grab you a new collection.
     
  19. Mar 8, 2013 #4999 of 10413
    unitron

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    If you're talking about metadata lost when copying directly from one TiVo to the other, the way it currently works is that if you have say a month's worth of some show that comes on every day and copy all those episodes to one TiVo straight from the TiVo on which they were originally recorded, on the TiVo that copied from the other one all of the shows will now show their date as being the date on which the copying was done, so you don't know in which order to watch them, and I'm pretty sure you lose the stuff that the original supplied when you hit the Info button.
     
  20. Mar 8, 2013 #5000 of 10413
    Fofer

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    Well than that just sounds downright broken to me.
     

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