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New program for 1 step TTG downloads, decryption, encoding - kmttg

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by moyekj, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. Nov 5, 2012 #4401 of 10413
    jcthorne

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    Thanks for the new features. The Deleted Files tab will be very helpful.
     
  2. Nov 5, 2012 #4402 of 10413
    moyekj

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    I just figured out how to permanently delete shows using RPC so next release will add a "Permanently Delete" button to this tab. There have been cases where I've wanted to purge the entire Recently Deleted folder but via the TiVo you can only do 1 show at a time, so being able to select and delete all at once will be useful.
     
  3. Nov 6, 2012 #4403 of 10413
    jcthorne

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    I actually thought about asking for that yesterday. Would have been very useful to me right after the fall update when everything ungrouped.

    From time to time I too need to remove things from the recently deleted folder and a way to do it in kmttg would be great. Thanks for your continued efforts.
     
  4. Nov 8, 2012 #4404 of 10413
    jcthorne

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    OK, I am slow.....

    Just figured out how to use kmttg to manage conflict resolution between two tivos. GREAT FEATURE!

    In using it, I run into some things that I either dont know how to do or are not there so some help please.

    Once a recording is completed on an alturnate tivo, is there an easy way to transfer the recording to where it should be? IE highlight a recording in the NPL and ask kmttg to tell tivo to transfer the recording?

    Would be great if the wont record tab could display conflicts for ALL tivos rather than just one at a time.

    When a conflict is shown, an easy way to move the recording to a different tivo?
     
  5. Nov 8, 2012 #4405 of 10413
    moyekj

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    No. But for series 4 units MRS makes it seamless to play a show from remote unit so why bother to move the show?

    That's already there. Change the TiVo pulldown to the TiVo you want to record the show on. Then select the show in the table and click on 'Record'.

    Same thing for 'Season Premieres', 'Search' and 'Guide' tabs - you can change TiVo selection to 'Record' or 'Season Pass' to a specific TiVo of your choosing. Note also that for 'Won't Record' the ToDo lists of all configured units is collected so for cases when a show won't record on 1 TiVo but will on another it will be indicated in a different color, and if you click on the entry it will tell you which TiVo it will record on.
    This kind of multi TiVo collaboration is something that's not there on the iOS/Android apps, coupled with the fact I can do it outside my LAN as well. I do most of my TiVo conflict management away from home.
     
  6. Nov 8, 2012 #4406 of 10413
    jcthorne

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    Main reason for wanting to transfer the recording is that the NPL is not integrated between the two tivos. The user has to know the recording was done on a different unit than the one they are viewing and go there to start the stream. Not user frinedly.

    Also for us, all recordings we actually watch are on one box, not scattered among several. Would not matter if the NPL was integrated......

    Anyway, a workaround? I would think selecting the recording for transfer with the correct options including push configured correctly could accomplish what I am after even if via 2 seperate transfers. Would be nice if there was a way to initiate a MRV transfer via kmttg though.

    Using the transfer to pc and then push to the other tivo idea, what would be the most expedient method to do this and preserve as much metadata as possible along with grouping?
     
  7. Nov 8, 2012 #4407 of 10413
    moyekj

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    I do most of my watching from 1 box as well. It's very easy to see the NPL of another unit though and now with 20.2.2 HDUI even the 'Play' shortcut works to initiate MRS of a show from another unit, so the behavior is practically the same as having a local NPL. Making a copy of a show from 1 TiVo to another is very clumsy because now you have 2 places to remember to remove a show. I never use MRV anymore.
    So what's hard about viewing NPL of another TiVo? Yes you have to navigate to bottom of NPL to get to another TiVo, but the '->' button on remote makes that easy. So yes there's a couple of extra remote clicks to get to listings on another TiVo but to me that's a lot cleaner than making copies of shows just for the purposes of viewing on a different TiVo.
     
  8. Nov 8, 2012 #4408 of 10413
    lpwcomp

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    Push transfers very little of the metadata and episodes of a series will not be grouped with episodes recorded on the destination TiVo. Strangely enough, maximum metadata transfer is a pull from a computer using pyTiVo and a text metadata file. So you have to transfer it w/create metadata file and decode options set then pull it to the other TiVo.
     
  9. Nov 8, 2012 #4409 of 10413
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    I thought I asked this before, but I don't see it mentioned in the past few pages (since I got my Premiere 4), or I missed it..

    When downloading the Now Playing list from my Premiere 4, it is FAST.. But it VIRTUALLY always (but I could swear once or twice it did not) downloads in 16 show chunks, rather than 128 with my Tivo HD. Even 16 at a time, it is a zillion times faster than the Tivo HD…

    But it would be EVEN FASTER if it downloaded 128 at a time. Why does it download only 16 at a time? Is this a Premiere vs. previous Tivo limitation?


    Also, I tried turning on iPad style communication, and got an exception about a bunch of missing graphic images (for the remote). I haven't checked the site yet, I think this MIGHT be mentioned… But the recommended upgrade path of "just replace the jar file" isn't always sufficient in times of changes like this. So I guess I'm just pointing this out, and maybe the prefs file should live outside the folder in a place that wouldn't be blown away if I just replaced the previous entire package with the new one. (I really wanted to try out the 'delete' function, even though I'm wary to try it at first. Being able to download a show then delete it from kmttg is intriguing..)
     
  10. Nov 8, 2012 #4410 of 10413
    moyekj

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    Yes it's something TiVo changed in their software for series 4 TiVos. Not sure why they made it so small...

    Download the latest .zip and just unzip right over your current installation allowing overwrites. Configuration files are not part of the .zip so will remain unaffected. This is always the recommended way to upgrade since once in a while it's more than just the .jar file that gets updated.
     
  11. Nov 8, 2012 #4411 of 10413
    jcthorne

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    If I was going to do a pull from the tivo, I would just pull from the originating tivo rather than transfering to a pc first.

    Really was looking for a way to initiate a MRV trasfer from the PC as a remote command. I am hoping moyekj finds a way to make this work at some point. That is, if the commands are even threre to send.
     
  12. Nov 8, 2012 #4412 of 10413
    moyekj

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    MRV is not using the RPC protocol (MRV has been around a long time as you know) and there is no way I know of to initiate MRV automatically from 1 TiVo to another. MRV is always started from the client TiVo so I doubt there's a way to initiate it from somewhere else.
     
  13. Nov 8, 2012 #4413 of 10413
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    I was responding to your expressed desire to retain as much of the metadata as possible. Unfortunately, even a Premiere to Premiere direct transfer leaves something to be desired although it is better than a push in that regard.
     
  14. Nov 8, 2012 #4414 of 10413
    mattack

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    OK, I reread the instructions and it does talk about unzipping over, but it ALSO says "or just replace the kmttg.jar file of the old installation with the one from the new installation.", which is what I've been doing so far..
     
  15. Nov 8, 2012 #4415 of 10413
    moyekj

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    Where did you see that? For example the Windows installation Wiki says this:
    "If upgrading from a previous Java kmttg installation you can normally unzip over the previous installation. That way you can preserve the kmttg configuration and avoid having to re-configure. NOTE: In some cases there are other files and folders aside from kmttg.jar updated as part of a release, so you should unzip the zip file over the top of your previous installation to make sure you overwrite all files that make up an installation. When unzipping instruct Windows to overwrite previous files. If you want to install to same location and make sure to get a clean new installation then remove everything except *.ini files. That way you get a full new installation but preserve all your previous settings."

    If you can point me where you saw "just replace kmttg.jar" other than perhaps some older release notes I'd like to know so I can fix it.
     
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    moyekj

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    OK, fixed Mac & Linux install notes.
     
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    I've been puzzled by those instruction--what does "unzip over the current installation" mean on a Mac? Can you explain the steps?

    If you drag the zipped file into the Applications folder and then unzip it, it just installs a duplicate folder. If you drag the zipped file into the previous kmttg folder, then unzip it, it puts a duplicate file into the kmttg folder. So either way, you end up with duplicates instead of updating the current files.
     
  19. Nov 9, 2012 #4419 of 10413
    moyekj

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    I don't know how the Mac works (never worked with one) or what different zip packages there are, but with Windows (various zip utils) and Linux command line "unzip" when you unzip you are prompted if it is OK to overwrite files at which point you say yes. i.e. The goal is to overwrite any files in the previous installation however you need to accomplish that. Perhaps on the Mac you need to unzip somewhere else and then copy and overwrite.
     
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    Those steps don't work on a Mac, unless I'm missing something.

    That seems correct. The only hassle about that is that all the files show the same file date, so basically you have to overwrite every file and reconfigure the application again.
     

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