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New program for 1 step TTG downloads, decryption, encoding - kmttg

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by moyekj, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. Jan 10, 2012 #3741 of 10412
    moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    The problem used to be with older versions of VRD that only 1 instance of VideoReDoSilent could run at a time, so using the non silent object was the only way to run more than 1 at a time. After notifying DanR of VRD he fixed that in newer versions. If you have a recent version of VRD you may want to try editing one of the scripts and removing the if/else and using the else clause. i.e.:
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    Set VideoReDoSilent = wscript.CreateObject( "VideoReDo.VideoReDoSilent" )
    set VideoReDo = VideoReDoSilent.VRDInterface
    
    Then it will always run in silent mode and should work fine.

    I can't make that change in general release because many people only have older versions of VRD such as VRD Plus which still have the old bug.
     
  2. Jan 10, 2012 #3742 of 10412
    rthurlow

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    Hi folks, my name is Rob and I burn Tivo shows to shiny discs. I am looking for a reliable solution from my Tivo Premiere on one end and DVD, DVD-DL, AVCHD-on-DVD and BluRay on the other.

    I sort of have that now. I have Roxio Creator 2010 on an old WinXP machine; I can do whatever I want as long as I leave stuff to churn overnight. I have a Core2Duo machine running 32-bit Win7 and it is faster and seems to work. But the best machine in the house, mainly bought for this purpose, is a quad-core Core i5 which runs 64-bit Win7 to make use of its 8Gb. Roxio is a complete steaming pile on this machine even after the third careful reinstall - I still haven't fully cataloged the crashes and hangs. I may have made one shiny disc on that system, but usually can't get to that point. I blame lousy software that didn't make it to the 64-bit world.
    I posted to the Roxio forums, and got no response, like the other people posting about crashes and hangs. I need another solution.

    First, I suppose I should ask if anyone has seen instability of Creator 2010 on Win7 64-bit and had better luck with Creator 2011 or Creator 2012? I feel like new features are always the focus, but sometimes people do think about quality and stability.

    I am coming late to the party, of course, but let me repeat what I think I have learned in this thread and some others:

    Roxio Creator 201x (spit) can burn Tivo files to DVD or BluRay
    VideoReDo can burn Tivo files to DVD, but not BluRay (sad face)
    kmttg can to some nice automated conversions, but you need to find your own solution to burning anything

    What am I missing in the list above?

    Any recommendations?

    What does it take to get from kmttg to a shiny disc?

    Thanks!

    (Sorry for the duplication, I should have posted here first from the traffic I see)
     
  3. Jan 10, 2012 #3743 of 10412
    txporter

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    I would use kmttg to download the Tivo files and decrypt them to mpg and then just burn them to blank disc with the freeware program, Imgburn. You won't have menus though. If you want menus, I think you should consider VideoRedo TVSuite. It is probably the best program that you can use for MPEG2 (and now H.264) editing and manipulation. Plus it includes a program called QuickStream Fix that fixes timestamp errors in video files so that you don't have issues with audio sync. I don't actually make DVDs any more (and haven't for some time) and have no experience with burning to Blu-ray, but many people are very happy with VRD.
     
  4. Jan 10, 2012 #3744 of 10412
    Hercules67

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    I tried this recently and I am happy with it (ie VRD TV Suite)

    I mostly no longer burn shiny discs either (I like digital and have no room for discs).

    I also have a Win XP machine running Roxio and it's fine, but VRD TV Suite is superior. I do not have blue ray player OR burner though, so I can't report on that.
     
  5. Jan 10, 2012 #3745 of 10412
    steve771

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    I used the Tivo Desktop to transfer shows to my PC and it worked fine. But I like the idea of a unlocked video. So I gave kmttg a try and it works great.

    My question is, I seem to recall that there was something that kmttg needed via the Tivo Desktop install. I can't find it now though. Am I recalling this correctly, or can I just uninstall Tivo Desktop and kmttg will work ok?

    Thanks!
     
  6. Jan 10, 2012 #3746 of 10412
    moyekj

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    You only need a partial TiVo Desktop install if you configure kmttg to use VideoRedo do decrypt .TiVo file instead of tivodecode. Otherwise you don't need TiVo Desktop installed at all.
     
  7. Jan 10, 2012 #3747 of 10412
    steve771

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    Thanks. I'm only using kmttg to transfer over programs I want to watch on another device.

    Another question though... does kmttg need bonjour? I ask because I'm one of those that doesn't like a bunch of unnecessary services running.
     
  8. Jan 10, 2012 #3748 of 10412
    moyekj

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    kmttg does look for Bonjour packets for TiVo discovery. There is an option under config->Tivos tab "Detect with TiVo Beacon instead of Bonjour" which uses the older TiVo method of discovery. If you have static IPs for your TiVos though there really is no need for discovery so neither method is really needed - you simply configure kmttg with the static IPs and names bypassing discovery. So technically, no Bonjour is not required.
     
  9. Jan 10, 2012 #3749 of 10412
    steve771

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    Thanks, appreciate the info! :)
     
  10. Jan 11, 2012 #3750 of 10412
    greggt007

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    thanks for the advice. not sure what i changed, maybe new version of kmttg? but now using qs fix fixes the audio issue! cant really fast forward or rewind but i think that is an adcut issue that doesnt bother me too much..

    my request, i dont think kmttg allows it right now..
    i dont encode, instead i want the qs fixed (when i dont adcut) mpg to be output to my nas while the decrypted tivo file is output to my local d drive for further processing. in other words, a qs fixed output directory setting.
     
  11. Jan 11, 2012 #3751 of 10412
    sanjonny

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    Actually you can do that in a few diff ways, but the decrypted tivo file is a mpg file not a tivo file in general, as the tivo will play it back and many other players will too, but not as a decrypted tivo file.

    To diff ways of looking at the same thing. Really, there is no advantage to keeping the file before qsfixing, unless you have a problem with that process itself. Processing of the qsfixed mpg is the best way to go, because any other processing works better after the different errors are removed. What you could do to accomplish a similar thing is to have it qsfix the file, then copy that file to the nas (via the custom commands-essentially create a copy command on the encode setting to copy the qsfixed mpg to the nas) and then you have the original qsfixed mpg still available for any other processing or commercial cuts you want to do. However, since about 1/3 of your file size is commercials and high def files are large, unless you have a huge and i mean huge nas, it will start getting full and if you instead copied the cut files to it, you could essentially fit 1/3 more. For example, i have a 5 tb nas that is full of compacted files 10gb shrunk down to one or sone even more shrunk and two other 2gb portable drives that plugin to the nas that are half full each. The space adds up quicker than you think.
     
  12. Jan 13, 2012 #3752 of 10412
    wdoerf

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    ...too much in fact to sift through, so I'll just ask.

    I have 2 Tivo's (S3 and XL). I've got a slightly-old Dell laptop running Vista sitting in a closet running Galleon and Tivo Desktop. I tried to use Galleon to serve the shows back to the Tivo, but for some reason or other it's just not working so I'm using the free Tivo Desktop to do that.

    I use Galleon for the HME to transfer shows off either Tivo without having to touch a computer, and then Tivo Desktop makes them available to transfer back if I so wish. This setup is still evolving (and is in fact only 2 weeks old) as I'm trying to do something very specific here.


    What I would like to do is this:
    Transfer shows off Tivo using HME or similar (as Galleon does now for example)
    Transfer shows back from storage as Tivo Desktop does now.
    AUTOMATICALLY convert the .tivo files to mpeg 2 and/or 4 after they are transferred to storage.


    The auto conversion is where I'm hung up. See, I have a Roku box (nice toy) and a newer Samsung TV with their SmartHub thingy built-in. Both the Roku and the TV can play (most) mp4 files by themselves, the TV doing it through the AllShare software and the Roku in my case using a freebie server package and add-in Channel.

    I idea behind it all is simple: Keep the wife happy and off my back.

    She'd like to be able to watch whatever Tivo shows we've saved out on the other TV's in the house. I'd thought the Roku would do this via Plex server, but the Tivo plug-in for Plex is Mac only and I don't have a Mac computer anywhere. If I can get things converted automatically, then I won't need any extra special plug-ins and stuff, Plex will just serve it up to the Roku and all is well.


    The plan is to have a Tivo in the living room, Tivo in the bedroom, SmartTV in the family room (with game consoles and stuff on it), and the Roku in another bedroom.

    In order for that plan to work, I need the .tivo files to be converted to mpeg (preferrably with zero-loss, I don't care about the file size) as they are moved off the Tivo's. Automatic. No user interaction required after initiating the transfer.

    I'm hung up at the automatic part. I'm not talking about automatically transferring shows off the Tivo, but automatically converting them after they've been copied off. I was thinking it would be nice to transfer them off via the Galleon HME (or similar) to some temp folder on my home storage, have some application watching that folder and automatically convert the .tivo files as they show up and move/save them to another folder, and that other folder will be the one that Tivo Desktop see's along with the Roku and the Samsung TV (I'll load the AllShare software onto this computer as well to share the folder out to the TV).

    Any thoughts?
     
  13. Jan 13, 2012 #3753 of 10412
    caddyroger

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    Have you tried KMTTG it will change your programs to mpeg. It will automatically down load and encode the file and save it to a folder of your choice. I do not know if mpeg or mpg is the same I use KMTTG to change it to mpg.
     
  14. Jan 13, 2012 #3754 of 10412
    wdoerf

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    From what I've read, KMTTG does auto transfers of shows much like Tivo Desktop does, and the conversion process is not entirely automatic (you have to manually start it in some cases). That's not what I need.


    I need something that will basically watch a file folder, and automatically convert a file when it shows up there, move the converted file to another folder and delete the original (if still present) or something to that effect.

    I'm beginning to think I'll have to write some kind of wrapper or agent that'll sit there quietly, checking the folder every couple minutes or something, and then when a completed copy/download shows up (as opposed to one that is still in progress) it'll fire off ffmpeg or something to the conversion, copy the file out to another folder, and then wait for another .tivo file to show up and do it all again.

    I'm just not sure how to go about doing that. I have some programming experience in Visual Basic.NET so I could write something for a Windows machine, but I've never done anything like what I'm looking for before. I was hoping that someone would've already discovered something and could point me to it.
     
  15. Jan 13, 2012 #3755 of 10412
    lpwcomp

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    I don't know what you read that gave you that impression, but kmttg will automatically transfer and convert to mpg w/o any manual intervention.


    Unless you are talking about deleting it from the TiVo, kmttg is all that is necessary. You can configure it to look for episodes to show up on a TiVo, transfer to the computer, decrypt it, and delete the .tivo file. The decrypt step creates a standard mpg file.
     
  16. Jan 13, 2012 #3756 of 10412
    greggt007

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    yea i hadnt thought of that, i could just create (unless there is one out there already) an encoding profile that just copies from my local drive to nas.

    i dont adcut some shows, either stuff from hbo (with little savings) or shows that my wife needs to have the recap at the beginning (as i often find the recap to be removed with adcut), as the space savings obviously isnt worth the processing time.

    qs fix is great. but is there a way to have it remux right after being demuxed instead of throwing that down at the bottom of the queue? right now i might transfer say 6 shows decrypt them, then qsfix em so they are demuxed, then it does the other five shows before it can remux that first show, so nothing is watchable for a long time...
     
  17. Jan 13, 2012 #3757 of 10412
    wdoerf

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    Yes, yes, KMTTG will auto transfer and decode and wahtever and that's all well and good, but your missing my point and my specific need.

    I DON'T NEED to setup automatic transfers of shows from the Tivo to storage. If that was all I wanted, I'd use Tivo Desktop and be done.

    I DO NEED to automatically decode WHATEVER .tivo file shows up.

    I use Gallean HME to transfer shows off the Tivo, using the Tivo remote control that I already have in my hand while I'm sitting on the couch. After Gallean transfers it to my stroage, then I need it to be converted. I would like that to happen completely automatically.


    So, in keeping with my need and the fact that I don't usually find the software that I need on Web, I'm creating my own little app.

    I'd post a pic or link, but I can't yet.

    This will watch the folder, act on a specific file or file extension as it shows up, save the result somewhere else, and then toast the original file if I need it to. So, I could put in an FFMPEG command string in there, tell it to watch for .tivo files, and save the decoded file somewhere else. And it'll sit there all day and night just waiting for a file to get dumped in it's lap.

    THAT is what I needed. I just thought that maybe somebody else out in the world had come up with a better option than this already. My app isn't done yet (I'm about half-way I guess) but I should be ready by Monday I suppose.
     
  18. Jan 13, 2012 #3758 of 10412
    lpwcomp

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    I was responding to your specific statement that the conversion process wasn't automatic and that some manual intervention was required. That and the fact that you posted this in the kmttg thread.

    As far as your specific need - I've never used Galleon, but if it can be configured to move the .tivo file to another directory when the transfer is complete, you could set up Direct Show Dump Utility to automatically monitor that directory, decode the .tivo file and delete it.
     
  19. Jan 14, 2012 #3759 of 10412
    wdoerf

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    And so it does! Never read anything about it doing that anywhere.

    So is there a website or current version somehwere? What I found was an older forum post, and DSD that requires .NET 1.1!
     
  20. Jan 14, 2012 #3760 of 10412
    wdoerf

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    DirectShowDump isn't working, program is producing useless 0byte files. Can't find a website or anything for it, so I don't know what I need to do.

    Trying KMTTG, but my only issue is that it doesn't monitor a folder for changes, and apparently TivoDecode inside of KMTTG is having problems too:

    % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
    Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed

    0 31 0 31 0 0 220 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 220
    0 31 0 31 0 0 220 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 0
    0 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:-- 0:00:01 --:--:-- 0
    0 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:-- 0:00:01 --:--:-- 0TiVo Private Data : Unmatched Stream ID: No error
    ts_handle_tivo_private_data failed: No error
    processing frame: No error
    Encryption by QUALCOMM ;)


    0 31 0 19582 0 0 12808 0 --:--:-- 0:00:01 --:--:-- 52218
    curl: (23) Failed writing body (898 != 1460)



    This really sucks.
     

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