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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by rainwater, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. kbmb

    kbmb Active Member

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    I have mine set to High in Netflix and both my Roamios are hardwired to a 50/10 Comcast connection. Both Roamios start at low quality most of the time and ramp up.

    By far my ATV is the fastest most reliable Netflix client I have. It always starts and stays at the highest level....plus the interface is faster than Tivo.

    -Kevin
     
  2. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    I really don't think that has much if anything to do with it. The "High" setting has an explicit limit, 3 GB/hour. If that limit is observed you could not get the 12 Mbps 3D encodes, which are 5.5 GBph w/192 Kbps DD+ 5.1 sound; you'd have to set it to "Auto".
     
  3. ncfoster

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    Thanks for the suggestion, but I tend to agree that it doesn't affect the Tivo. It was already set on High. If I had to guess, the setting only affects playback on the web, but maybe it will throttle other devices.
     
  4. spincut

    spincut New Member

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    I was browsing the web looking for stuff on the Tivo Roamio netflix app and how bad it is, but this seems to be more the concensus instead.

    It's not so much that my Roamio's netflix app doesn't work, it just doesn't work nearly as well as, say, my PS3 one. It takes A LOT longer to get to a decent HD quality look, and even when it does it's a noticeable smidge less sharp and good looking than what the PS3 can produce.

    What's the deal? Do I maybe have this older Netflix app people are talking about? I doubt that's the case given my Roamio has updated pretty decently and the app otherwise seems up to date...but yeah, the performance is certainly lacking.

    I don't know where the option is to display the bitrate, but I'd really like to get that up for further testing, as I'm definitely not getting this implied level of performance, whereas my PS3 has (but of course using my Tivo in many instances is a lot more convenient, so I'd like to get this issue addressed).
     
  5. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    There are several issues that can cause your results to be different. It is possible the network on your Roamio is not as stable. Are you using wireless? Are both your PS3 and TiVo wired? Also, do you have them on different inputs? Are both your inputs calibrated with the same settings? Most modern tvs have different settings for each input.

    For me, the Roamio is the only client (although the Xbox One does sometimes) that starts with the highest quality.

    Just hit info on your remote while you are streaming Netflix to see the bitrate info.
     
  6. spincut

    spincut New Member

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    None of those potential issues are applicable. The PS3 and Roamio are both on the same wireless network, (and the PS3 is a lot older of a device, so I would not expect it's wireless chip or capabilities to be superior..). I also tried switching the Roamio to my 2.4ghz band just to see if it would help, and it didn't.

    As for the inputs, that has absolutely zero to do with it, this is about streaming quality/performance. But they are on the same input given I use a receiver. But even if they weren't, that isn't the issue.
     
  7. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    You would be surprised how many people think there is an issue because they never configure their settings except on their main input. What people perceive as poor streaming quality can also be a terrible picture setup on a certain input. That said, the issue you are having is not normal as the Roamio quality for Netflix streaming is the same or better than any device I have tried (Roku, Apple TV, Xbox One, etc).
     
  8. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Maybe instead of advising those who can't figure out the inputs have different settings, to calibrate their inputs, they should be advised to get a HDMI switch, and run all streaming devices to the TV input that looks best to them.

    I have to admit, as technical a guy as I am, I took the easy way and made my settings apply to all inputs. I can tweak the picture enough with mode profile presets, to deal with different content. I'm not sure if all sets have that ability, thus the idea of the HDMI switch. But, Sony Bravia TVs + HDMI switch + Roamio = too many added issues added to with direct HDMI-connect, for me... I never had so many HDMI issues with TiVo HDs or Premieres.
     
  9. Sep 3, 2014 #289 of 304
    spincut

    spincut New Member

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    I would be surprised indeed, especially since that is NOT the issue, like I already implied.

    Seriously, I can understand how perhaps a layman may mistake a poor netflix bitrate for their picture settings being wrong input being off but not only is that most definitely not what's going on with me, but it's not even remotely close/possible. IF my picture settings being off was the issue, I would notice right away given how I have my television and home theater setup.

    Anyway, it was quite literally a bitrate ceiling, which as of last night, I fixed by switching to a 5.8ghz wireless band (albeit lower signal strength, which is why I had it on the 2.4ghz in the first place). I will say though, some of this fault lies with the Tivo, because I have several devices sitting near and around it that get much better reception, leading me to believe it's wireless chip just isn't quite as good (although to be fair, despite whatever issues I was having with the 5.8ghz band earlier that caused me to make this initial change, once I switched back things did eventually kick all the way up to 1080p super HD, which I didn't even think I was still able to get :p ) .

    Seems like the next order of business is to get a newer AC Wireless router (even though the Tivo wifi chip is not AC, I'm sure a top end AC wireless router will still have some sort of meaty range boosting antennae system that would trump my aging draft-n Netgear situation).
     
  10. Sep 3, 2014 #290 of 304
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    The Roamio wireless operates at both 2.4 & 5GHz (or 5.8 as you said)? If so, concurrently?

    Last I checked, I thought only cordless phones operated at 5.8GHz (older ones, right before DECT took them way down below 2.4GHz).
     
  11. Sep 3, 2014 #291 of 304
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    It's 5GHz. The Roamio does support 5GHz. Not sure what you mean by concurrently. It's a single device so it can only have one connection at a time. (it doesn't do wifi bridging)
     
  12. Sep 3, 2014 #292 of 304
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Dual-band WiFi 2.4 & 5GHz at same time, as opposed to "switched" where you have to pick only one. Many devices went dual-band concurrent, while some stuck with 2.4 only, due to too many issues with 5GHz and walls/obstructions.

    Wireless AC is dual-band concurrent to get the advertised speeds.

    A netgear N900 router only operates at 450 per band (theoretical maximum speeds, of course). So, a dual-band device gets 900, while a single band device gets only 450, regardless of which one it uses.

    Last I checked, the older devices need "3x3" (3tx x 3rx) antennas just to get 450 and in both directions (150 per antenna).

    I have 5GHz on my router turned off, because I hardware everything but phones, and chromecasts (and my chromecasts only do 2.4GHz, even though I keep reading they can do 5Ghz - but not stable enough to bother with and not recommended).
     
  13. Sep 4, 2014 #293 of 304
    spincut

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    Hah, the router I've been using is the N600 (it was top of the line back when I got it and I don't believe anything above it existed at the time). It was great when I got it. I could even use it competently across the street from my place even, but either due to it somehow purposefully reigning in it's range (perhaps as a natural security measure?), or performance degradation over time (I've heard that can happen?), it doesn't seem to have the range oomph it used to.

    Anyway, it still does do the trick in this case, but I have been pondering an AC router for a bit now given even without an AC chip I have to assume a top end one would have a lot of power and range behind it.

    Anyway, I don't know much about this "concurrent" business, it almost sounds like a bad idea to let the router try and auto switch things? But yeah, in my case and with my router, I pick the band. Even at my routers best it seems it has trouble getting the full brunt of my internet speeds, I never realized that wireless stuff had so much lost to overhead, bringing us down a long way from those theoretical maximums (and even our top internet speeds).

    But yeah, might be time to get one of those Netgear Nighthawks..
     
  14. Sep 4, 2014 #294 of 304
    tatergator1

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    You mentioned above that both PS3 and Roamio are on wireless. Are you using the built-in wireless networking of the Roamio, or a separate Wi-Fi adapter hooked to the Ethernet port of the Roamio?

    The internal wireless card in the Roamio has been the source of countless issues for people. Streaming quality issues are most likely associated with poor signal reception of the Roamio's internal wireless card.
     
  15. Sep 4, 2014 #295 of 304
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yes but that all applies to the router or access point. The devices typically connect to one network at a time and IIRC the 2.4GHz and 5GHz legs typically present themselves to devices as two separate networks with different SSIDs. So TiVo can still only connect to one or the other, not both at the same time.

    Although I'm not all that up on wifi technology, so if there is some way for a single network to actually transition from 2.4GHz to 5GHz then I'm not sure if the Roamio handles that or not. I use MoCa on mine so I never really played with the wifi part.
     
  16. Sep 4, 2014 #296 of 304
    DeltaOne

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    I use Apple routers (Airport Extreme on one side of house, Airport Express on the other side of house) and both the 2.4 and 5 GHz networks have the same SSID (name). Makes things much simpler and easier.
     
  17. Sep 4, 2014 #297 of 304
    spincut

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    I was using built in wireless on the roamio, no adapters or anything, that would be...clunky :p .

    Interesting to hear about the internal wifi for the Roamio being problematic though, and I guess it makes sense. It's probably why I switched to my 2ghz band a while back, thinking I may have had too many problems with the 5ghz despite not too much distance or walls. But yeah, in switching back, while, say, stuff like the Netflix app hangs a tad longer before loading, I do get those top bitrates.

    I'll credit the lower signal strength to the tivo's wifi just as much as the 5ghz band, but yeah, those Nighthawks are still looking pretty good as a bandwith and coverage upgrade..
     
  18. Sep 4, 2014 #298 of 304
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    My Netgear WNDR3800 Premium is pretty terrible for wireless. I bought it for the built in TiVo functions, but soon found that its standard USB port, with a drive plugged in takes up all it's limited resources indexing data.

    It's great as a wired router. The wireless has an option to "create a video network", which is only applicable to the 5GHz band.

    Last I checked, the wireless built-into the Roamios was not intended for streaming video, but was there to allow the realtime TiVo service to operate, and for scheduled service connections. It was "you're on your own" if you tried to actually use it for streaming services, which might work, but TiVo did not provide support for if it didn't.

    I don't need a lecture on setting up a wireless network correctly. I just bought three of the Netgear WNDR4700 Centria N900 ones http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122487 with internal drive bays at fire-sale pricing. They have AP and repeater modes, and I'll be strategically placing them around the house. $49 new? If at least one part of each one works decently, I'll be set, and it cost me $150. I did buy one at higher price before grabbing two more, but I think I still got it for half price, IIRC (shell-shocker, combo, or free w/modem deal). The biggest complaint about them is the internal fan is really loud. I'm sure I can fix that, or work around it.
     
  19. Sep 4, 2014 #299 of 304
    ydc

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    Regardless of how the SSIDs present themselves, the 2.4 and 5GHz bands aren't used together to provide more bandwidth/speed. Those higher speeds are as a result of using multiple channels on a single band plus tricks using multiple antennas/streams. Of course this only applies when both ends of the wireless link support it, which most likely the built-in TiVo adapter doesn't. I think you'd have to use a separate wireless bridge for that.
     
  20. Sep 5, 2014 #300 of 304
    DeltaOne

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    Correct.

    I should have been more clear -- the "makes things simpler and easier" was for folks using smartphones, tablets and laptops in our house. Each device chooses the best connection for it. Simple and easy.

    My Roamio and two Minis are connected via Ethernet. I always use Ethernet for devices that stay in one place.
     

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