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New Daylight Savings Time Update for Series1

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by TiVoPony, Mar 14, 2007.

  1. Carriere

    Carriere New Member

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    Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I had tried it and had lots of problems. It's the reason I delayed putting my posting up until last night instead of last week. I wanted to resolve the emuProxyZA issues before I signed up for the DST fix. I would not recommend emuProxyZA for Canadian Postal Codes. (Keep in mind that I'm a Linux rookie and maybe someone more expert may have success.) I'm looking forward to the DST update taking effect in the next day or so.

    Regarding the DST fix, I don't keep my TiVo connected to a phone line because a daily call is unnecessary without Canadian Postal Codes and so no Canadian guide data. I only connect to the TiVo service to reset the clock whenever I see that the clock has drifted too much. If I'm reading the forum correctly, every spring I'll need to set the clock twice and every fall I'll need to set the clock twice (assuming the government sticks the new DST days). Is this correct? Not a big deal and much more convenient than changing all of my manual programming, especially when you consider that all of my programming is manual due to no Canadian guide data.

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    Here's another thought... why don't some of us Series 1 customers put some money where our mouths are? The way I look at it is TiVo has made the decision to not provide software updates for business reasons and that at this stage its up to the TiVo User Community to help create a business case to change this. What I'm suggesting is that the User Community put together a list of items that we would like to have updated in the software and back it up with a voluntary payment to TiVo. Its been several years since the last software update so I think everyone knows what they would like on their Series 1 software update wish-list off the top of their heads. There could be some sort of voting to ensure a quality list of items. There would also need to be some way to make the payments in a secure place, where it could be refunded if TiVo doesn't take us up on the offer.

    What's in it for TiVo? A way to settle many people's concerns about updates that we would really like to see. TiVo could also use it as a stake in the ground as far as no other updates. Clearly, TiVo's responsiveness to the Series 1 customer base would go very far. Current Series 2 customers and new customers to TiVo are looking at how the Series 1 customers are being treated and I'm sure that TiVo must know that it is in TiVo's best interests to treat Series 1 customers well. (This is not to say I don't think that we are being treated well - in fact my opinion is that we are, given the current constraints e.g. DST fix).

    I really don't know if there would be enough interest for TiVo to take this seriously. But it can't hurt to try. What would a reasonable amount be? $10? $20? If its $10 and 5,000 users, it would be $50k. I don't know if it would cover all of the development costs, but maybe TiVo would top off the shortfall.

    For my wish list, my #1 item would be incorporating the ability to enter Canadian Postal Codes during Guided Setup (not surprizing, I'm sure, given my Christmas wish exchange with jberman).

    Another item that may be useful is the DST update. As I understand it at a very high level, the current fix has been based on the requirement for no software update. What if we don't have that constraint? Would it be better for the software to be updated now in some way (maybe change the way the sofware uses the time from the server) so that if there is a decision to change DST again, TiVo can affect the change without any change to the software and in a way that it is transparent to the end-user? My point is less about how the optimal solution could work (a discussion point unto itself I expect), and more that maybe we could have an even better fix if we are not constrained by the latest software release.

    I know that there are many people who firmly believe that the subscriptions, original purchase prices, etc. should pay for the development costs for any Series 1 updates. If that is the view, I completely respect that. In anticipation of that, I have donned my flame-retardent suit for those who think I'm completely off my rocker and feel compelled to say so.
     
  2. Mars

    Mars New Member

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    I'd like to see Series 1 and 2 TiVos be able to change channels on the new OTA digital tv converter boxes. My Winegard box has a serial port as well as IR remote control. Since the TiVos are already doing this with cable and satellite boxes seems this would be possible with the existing hardware, and I would be willing to put up a few ponys to pay for it. I use my TiVo in my RV all summer watching from a OTA antenna and will need this.
     
  3. Alcatraz

    Alcatraz Occasionally Helpful

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    If you want to put together a wishlist of items for series1, you might want to make it a new thread instead of putting it at the end of this one. Just a thought....
     
  4. hornblowercat

    hornblowercat New Member

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    I don't believe that the hardware in the S3 is that close to what is in the S2 or S1. However I've never opened a box and if I did I wouldn't be able to tell to be perfectly honest. Still the price of the S3 suggest to me that hardware has to be much different.

    If you really want to enjoy this feature, I think you need to buy an S3. I doubt TiVo is going to make an "adapter" or a card to make this happen.
     
  5. pcurthoys

    pcurthoys New Member

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    Quick question for you guys: I've got a Series 1, and I signed up for and got the DST patch. My guide data is now current through 4/2, and I've noticed that recordings starting 4/1 are an hour ahead of "real life" -- meaning, a 3pm hockey game is listed as starting at 4pm. Is that just part of the patch -- will the listings correct themselves come 4/1? Or is something wrong with the patch? I'm worried because the night I got the patch, my Tivo froze on "Loading Data" in the phone-call screen, and I had to power-cycle it and redo the phone call, so I'm not sure if this is how the patch is supposed to work. Thanks much!
     
  6. TiVoPony

    TiVoPony New Member

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    Yes, the listings will correct themselves on 4/1.

    Pony
     
  7. pcurthoys

    pcurthoys New Member

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    Dandy, thanks much!
     
  8. AFP1

    AFP1 AFP1

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    I just feel that since Tivo has your Email Address, and also knows what you already own, they should just send out Notices instead of having people need to Sign Up for an Upgrade!
    For the very little Actual Service we Pay for every Month, I feel they should be more Consumer oriented. You can never even get through on the Phone, so we have to settle our own problems here! I have yet to solve anything here!!
     
  9. BTUx9

    BTUx9 back?

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    TiVo made the correct decision in not sending this out to everyone, yet.

    They already sent notices out telling people to change their manual recordings... the patch would break those changed recordings, so they haven't sent it out to everyone.

    When they send out a message for april 1st reminding people that the recordings need to be changed BACK, then they'll be able to send out the patch to everyone (but won't have to until october, because times will be accurate until then).
     
  10. AFP1

    AFP1 AFP1

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    "What's in it for TiVo?"
    I had to laugh when I read this!! What do they have to gain?? You may at some time need to Purchase a New Unit, Plus you lose any Deal you had for the Subscription prices!
    I have had 3 Updates to Both my Units in the last 6 Months, but they are both Series 2, the Series that replaced 1, and they don't want to be bothered with Series 1 Units anymore. They probably figured they would all be broken by now, as their Machines don't have the Best Reliability Track Record!! After reading many Posts, I have concluded they have about a 2 Yr. Life Expectancy, which puts all you Series 1 owners out in the cold!!
     
  11. AFP1

    AFP1 AFP1

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    Well, I'm Sorry to say, the actual set up of an S3 Unit is *VERY MUCH the Same as all other Units! The Only differences are the Hard Drive and Tuner.
    I have openned Both types many times, and replaced parts as well. The ONLY Real difference is the Tuner, which in my opinion is nowhere near worth a difference of $700.00!! And especially when they get to keep 2 Regular Tuners in the Swap!! I can Buy an HD Tuner for under $100.00!! They probably Pay no more than $50.00 for the same thing!
    Your getting Ripped Off, just as I did!
    But Someday, they will have some Competition, and maybe then things will get better all around!
     
  12. hornblowercat

    hornblowercat New Member

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    In The Good...

    I don't feel ripped off at all. I love the S3. And yes the Tuner is the difference. Is it worth the price they charge? Probably not if you take it as an individual item, but it is the entire package that makes the S3 great.

    And as far as competition, why doesn't any of the current DVR's try and do it? The answer is simple. They can't.

    I'm real sorry you feel ripped off. I would pay the same amount all over again for the S3 just because it leaves cable dvr's in the dust.
     
  13. patters000

    patters000 New Member

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    Has anyone had problems with channels missing after receiving the Priority DST update on their Series 1? After receiving the update here, a bunch of channels have gone missing. I had had a manual season pass on one of them, and when I tried editing it, I received an 'errDbMissing' message.

    Anyone else experiencing an alteration in their lineup after this update? Perhaps a system reset would fix the problem.
     
  14. sfhub

    sfhub Active Member

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    Isn't that a good thing? Consistent setup and interface? If you mean the hardware layout/design/config, I think the S3 is significantly different. It has component and HDMI outputs (similar to HDDTiVo), CableCARD inputs, SATA vs IDE drives (and by extension eSATA port), and builtin ethernet ports.

    I think the people who do end up buying an S3 usually feel the CableCARD support and expandable storage are the key features they are after (plus the TiVo UI and reliability)

    Whether someone feels this is worth it for the price is of course YMMV.
     
  15. jackpollack

    jackpollack New Member

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    I have a Tivo S1 with CacheCard (and network interface) & 120GB HD. Ten days ago I successfully applied the manual DST time patch and everything is working well.

    I am considering unpatching and using the "real" Tivo fix so that I don't have to deal with manual changes 4X a year (don't want to add chron), but am concerned with possible side effects.

    I have read through this thread and don't see much discussion of good or bad results with the Tivo patch and modified Tivos other than some missing channels from the lineup.

    So what I want to confirm is:
    1. Can anyone confirm that the Tivo patch will not break anything with CacheCard.
    2. I think I saw some possible problems with 130GB+ HDs, but 120GB isn't a problem.
    3. Any more info on the missing lineup channels?
    4. Any other reported side effects?
    5. Am I better off just sticking with the manual patch?

    Thanks
     
  16. patters000

    patters000 New Member

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    For the missing channels problem, performing a simple system reboot fixed the problem. After rebooting it seemed to crunch for a while, maybe on some unimported program data, but the channels were there and eventually recordable again.
     
  17. Mars

    Mars New Member

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    My S1 with cache card took the TiVo dst update just fine. I am running two 120G drives in it, so I don't know what effect if any, will be on your 130G drive. But here's encouragement from Pony.

     
  18. bmeyer1968

    bmeyer1968 New Member

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    I've got 3 S1, unsubbed HDR212s. 1 has a 300GB drive, 1 has an 80GB and 1 has a 110GB. When the early DST change came on, I tried a few of the workarounds with GS and changing my Timezone but removing DST and all that, but then gave up and ran it again setting the system to my timezone(CST) with DST enabled, then re-entered all my manual recordings -1 hour. I don't have any problem with all that really, but want to make sure that I'm not going to goof anything up by having done all that. Can someone who KNOWS for sure confirm or deny these statements?

    1) it sounds like everyone agrees that the Tivo patch will not mess up the LBA48 kernel and my 300GB drive will go on fine afterwards.
    2) After the patch, I will have to change all the manual programs again to 'real' time(no problem, I expected to do this on April 1 anyway).
    3) In addition to the inital call to load the patch, I will have to call on April 1 and then 2 more times in the fall for the old 'fall back' date and the new one for 4 calls total each year.
    4) Future calls to Tivo to correct clock drift should not entail re-downloading the patch.
    5) programs I recorded at -1 hour durring the last few weeks will still show as -1 hour after the patch is applied (SNL starting at 9:30 CST last weekend etc...)

    Thanks,
    Bill
     
  19. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    San...
    That's a matter of opinion, and a rather uninformed one, I might add. I pay $160 a month to my CATV company, yet their program guides are habitually wrong. TiVo's rarely are.

    I'll allow TiVo's tech support leaves a great deal to be desired, but while I have called their tech support many, many times, I have only had problems getting through once. No offense, but you're sounding rather like my daughter who screams (at the top of her lungs), "You never let me go out!", because she was only allowed to go out 5 days out of 7. Just so you don't get her reputation, please let us know how many times, exactly, you called, when and how long you were on hold, and exactly how many times you were completely unable to reach their support line before it closed.

    Armed with that information, I feel fairly confident the TiVo reps in this forum will be able to take your complaints back to their supervisors and have the company investigate the issue. Without it, they have nothing on which to act and you have no cause to be complaining.

    To which I can only request again you tell us exactly what problems you attempted to fix in this forum and how it failed to supply the required information.
     
  20. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    San...
    Excuse me? Exactly where is the optical audio output on the TCD649080? The HDMI output? The CableCard slots? THX certification? Cable Labs certification?


    What a manufacturer pays for an OEM or embedded device and what they must charge to make a profit on that device are two very different things. In order to make a profit, the manufacturer has to recover development and retooling costs, the cost of additional inventory, and account for sales volume. The sales of the Series III are going to be lower in volume due in part to its higher price, increased competition, and saturation of the Series I and Series II in the marketplace. Add to that the licensing issues and the additional features of the Series III, and the box is going to be much more expensive.

    They already have competition - lots of it. Some day has been here for years. So how come you're still complaining?
     

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