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Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by rcobourn, Mar 25, 2008.
In fact, what method did you use to attempt the upgrade, initially?
Apparently as I found out, a older version of MFSTools.
Just so you, and others know, and as far as I know, at this time, there is only one tool that has been demonstrated to successfully upgrade the Premiere drive to 2TB; Comer's JMFS program, outlined in the Premiere Upgrade Thread.
I don't believe any other methods have been demonstrated to work. Although with Comer's JMFS "procedure", the Supersize step was done initially with the WinMfs program, but that is no longer necessary now.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.. Problem is now I've got basically a DOA Premiere so hoping someone can help out with an image.
Amazing what one can find in the Winmfs Forums:
Not a Tivo Drive in Premiere
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Not a Tivo Drive in Premiere
Postby tenadam5 » Sun May 15, 2011 8:11 am
When trying to copy one good Premiere drive to a new drive for my other premiere (the original drive died) i accidentally selected fix bootpage and chose option one for my good drive. Now I can not get it to be recognized as a Tivo drive and my Tivo just starts up, all lights flash and it restarts never getting past the hello screen.
Any help for the beginner would be appreciated.
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Re: Not a Tivo Drive in Premiere
Postby spike » Tue May 24, 2011 11:18 am
Try fix bootpage option2
The "Fix Bootpage" possibility(both options) was suggested and tried here also, but apparently, was not successful.
Me: "Yes, I tried both fix bootpage option 1 and option 2."
Just maybe for clarification - I tried boopage option 1. Then tried reloading mfs tools, it still said not a Tivo drive. tried bootpage option 2, then still Not a tivo drive.
Should I perhaps try fix bootpage, then try booting up the tivo? Or if I do the bootpage and it works, should it then say it's a Tivo drive?
Of course the Premiere was not sold when winmfs was developed. I think when/if WinMfs works on the Premiere it's more of "just a coincidence". I think the Premiere drive/software presents some different challenges for winmfs, and maybe some of the other mfs tools at this time.
For instance, I don't think you can make a truncated back up image of the Premiere like you can of the other previous "series" of Tivos. For now, an "image" for the Premiere is the contents of the entire drive. So when you ask for "an image for the Premiere", you basically have to acquire another actual Premiere hard drive to copy with the Jmfs program(with the option to expand), or possibly other drive cloning software(no expanding, just bit for bit copying).
But as far as what you should have done with the "fix boot page", I think it is probably a matter of trying all possible avenues. If the first didn't work, try another, an so on. So maybe even though winmfs did not recognize the Premiere drive as a "Tivo", I still would have tried to see if it would boot up, mavbe.
Granted, the probability may be very small that an operation is performed correctly on a drive it did not even recognize.
I really can't claim to know a lot about any of these "tools", except how to use them, as prescribed, with the Tivo drives they are made to work on.
Exactly how did you get MFS Tools to say 'not a TiVo drive'?
And are we really talking about the MFS Tools that's command line based, older than the also command line based MFS Live, and older than WinMFS, which is a Graphical User Interface program that you install and run on a computer running Windows and can only run if Windows is already running?
Make sure that the computer you use is running XP with Service Pack 2 or 3 installed.
Hook up just the original TiVo drive, in addition to the drive with Windows on it.
Boot into Windows XP.
Click on Fix Bootpage, choose option 1.
Exit WinMFS, shut down computer.
Return drive to Premiere.
See if it boots.
If not, power cycle it and see if you can get Kickstart to run.
If not, return drive to computer and do Fix Bootpage, option 2.
Return drive to Premiere.
See if it boots.
If not, power cycle and see if you can get Kickstart to run.
Somewhere around here there's a writeup on how to get into Kickstart on the various models.
Ok, sorry for the confusion, it was WinMFS that said Not A Tivo Drive.
Computers I have are Windows 7 and XP SP3 (or whatever the latest SP is).
I'll try the above and see if that works..
is the thread in which Comer and Spike discuss the existing tools and how Comer modified them to end up with JMFS.
IOW, Winmfs does not work on a TP. YES, you can mount the TP drive, and when you run msinfo it reports the 'not a Tivo drive'.
is a message about the Kickstart function built into all Tivo's.
I would try KS 52 the emergency reinstall of the software and see what happens.
As far as someone sending you an image..... ain't gonna happen. There aren't any tools to make and or restore an image on the TP.
But, I welcome anyone to PROVE me wrong.
I tried the KS - not getting anything. The procedure for the Premiere says - going from memory - green and orange lights should flicker - I don't get that. I don't recall what I DO get, but not that. I did however try Pause - 52 at various times, and never saw any results. I'll try again tonight and I can jot down what the lights do, but I don't see green and orange flickering. If I remember, when it comes on, all lights come on, then that's it - then 30 seconds or so later it reboots.
I'm guessing the kickstart is from the hard drive, so if the hard drive is indeed fubar, kickstart won't work?
Ok, tried fix bootpage 1, plug drive back into Tivo, no go. Bootpage 2, drive back into tivo, no go. Light status: All lights come on for a second, then go off, then just green stays on.. 20 or so seconds later, reboot. Tried hitting pause 52 at all possible times, no go.
You don't need tools to backup / restore a Tivo Premiere image - you need tools to create a hard drive image. I'm not a expert by any means of imaging (I work with Ghost imaging at work), but some of my coworkers are, and I guarantee you - I (they) can clone any drive. Doesn't matter what's on the drive, you're creating a byte for byte copy of the drive.
And that's not what retiredqwest was talking about.
What you're talking about, any of us could do with dd or dd_rescue and another hard drive of the same size. What you're talking about will produce something as large as the Premiere's stock hard drive. Files that big aren't sent over the internet from residence to residence, they're carried on a truck.
retiredqwest was talking about a compressed image such as can currently be made for S1 - S3 TiVos, images that can then be restored to drives of varying sizes.
However, in your situation, a clone of a virgin Premiere drive may be what you need, if only to see if your Premiere's motherboard has gone bad.
Do you know anybody else with a Premiere and a sense of adventure/foolish disregard for consequences?
It would be interesting to see what happens if your present drive is placed in another Premiere.
Do not, however, place anyone else's stock drive in your Premiere, for fear of corruption.
Anybody know if the Premiere has one of those easily dislodged front panel cables?
I've e-mailed 400+ MB files before. Sure, it's not fun, but pretty easy especially with Comcast / high speed broadband
Unfortunately, no, I don't know anyone else with a Premiere. I'm pretty confident though the drive 'died' because of what I tried. So at this point, I'm going with dvrupgrade.com and sending them my 2 TB hard drive to be imaged for the premiere.
When you say don't put anyone elses drive in my premiere for fear of corruption - you mean it would corrupt their drive, right? Why would I care?
Anyone still around that might be able to help me out with a TCD649080 image? Appears as though my disk has literally turned to dust, or more like sand...if you shake it, it now sounds like an etch-a-sketch.
Thanks in advance...
PM sent. Must have been a Maxtor drive.
My guess is that by the time s2dt came out, Tivo had switched to using WD, only or mainly.
My 649080 drive is a WD.