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NBC signs Jay for more years of blandness

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by MikeAndrews, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

    Jan 17, 2002
    It was that QT appearance that I realized that Quentin is a mega-nerd ala Woz. Nice that nerds can succeed.
  2. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

    Apr 2, 2001


    The opening act was entertaining.
  3. Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale
    It's just that he sucks.
  4. Hcour

    Hcour Active Member

    Dec 24, 2007
    Agree. Pefect summation of Leno's career. I wondered if I was the only one who remembered the pre-Tonight Show Leno, when he was actually funny.
  5. marksman

    marksman ID-10-T

    Mar 4, 2002
    Plus he still recently talks about how he has never touched a dime of his tv money and it just sits in the bank.

    While that might used to be cute, now it just makes him seem like a massive dick to me.

    He even said (this was at a half arsed charity interview in Adam Carolla's back yard), that he does not have an agent or manager (which saves him a lot of money), but he essentially just takes whatever the network offers him to do the show. I just find it so hard to believe.

    Now that I think about it though, that interview was right before he went to 10pm so it was a while ago.. but still makes me think he is a dick.

    He can spend his money as he wants, but he lives off his gig and stand up money, if he loves that so much why not live off his tv money and do gigs for lower prices so more people could see him, since he loves it so much...
  6. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 5, 2002
    Cupertino, CA
    Jay may not be trying or innovative but I don't think the above justifies the "Dick" comment. He basically has said that he considers the Tonight show a luxury he could lose at any moment and he feels he is a standup first. So he manages his money that way. Who cares.

    I think the big problem he has is maybe he works too much and as a result he has no bandwidth to be innovative.

    The Tonight show has always been considered the safe show. Guests come because they know he won't embarrass them. The "gets" also create the higher ratings.

    Jimmy Fallon is also considered safe but I think he is more innovative and talented.

    It will be interesting to see how the ratings progress once things settle down.

    On a side note Lettermans Oprah interview really impressed me since he is rarely so straight forward about himself.
  7. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

    Jan 17, 2002
    Jay keeps saying that he banks his TV money while he's buying million dollar cars. Methinks the cars and his hangar and crew of mechanics are part of his "bank."

    Read/listen to "The Battle for Late Night" by Bill Carter.

    Jay has no agent but he does negotiate like he has "Pay AND play" in his contract which is why NBC couldn't just pay him and leave him off of the air. Jay thinks being off TV is being dead.

    Dave had no agent either until he made the move to leave NBC. He had claus of $1 million in his contract if they didn't put him at 11:30. Ovitz pointed out that $1 million was tip money to NBC.
  8. GoPackGo

    GoPackGo Well-Known Member

    Dec 28, 2012
    Jay tours an unbelievable amount of time. He gets paid a ton of money for that.
  9. DeDondeEs

    DeDondeEs Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Feb 20, 2004
    Las Vegas, NV

    He seems like a decent person, but insecure about his career or he is a control freak. It's just time to pass the torch... again... for real and enjoy his money and cars. And just to be fair, I think it is about time for Letterman to move on too. Get some new blood in there. This isn't the 1960's where people were stuck watching 3 channels, so you pretty much had three choices or less than that late at night. I think the reason these guys have ratings are from people who fall asleep with the 11:00 news on.
  10. mattack

    mattack Active Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    I just listened to that recently (and have heard him say that other places), and I don't get why you have that reaction.

    (Disclaimer: in the *beginning* of the big war, I was happy that Leno "won" because it'd mean we'd have BOTH Leno & Letterman on. But Leno has gotten really boring, and even though Letterman has mellowed out a lot, I think he's still VERY funny.. But I agree with Letterman's recent comments that Leno USED to be very very funny. I think some of Leno's appearances on Letterman in the 1980s are some of the funniest things I've ever seen, including the talk between the two of them..)

    But now he's boring, and I just record it (and the other late night shows) for a FEW bits a week + musical guests.
  11. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    But a lot of people still like him.
    Just like they like the Olive Garden.
  12. Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale
    The same people think the best Chinese restaurant is PF Chang's.
  13. Bob Coxner

    Bob Coxner Active Member

    Dec 1, 2004
    I don't care for Leno as a comedian but here's an interesting letter from a member of The Presidents music group. It comes from The Lefsetz Letter music blog:

    From: Dave Dederer
    Subject: Re: Another Leno comment


    The Presidents were on Leno a few times in the mid 1990s. Every time we were on the show, Jay came to our dressing room -- alone, with fruit basket or other gift in hand -- to introduce himself and chat for a little while during the long hours between arrival and taping. We were also free to wander around the set as we pleased. I recall playing frisbee in the glorious LA winter sun (glorious if you're from Seattle) in the parking lot next to one of Jay's crazy cars.

    The set felt like a warm, friendly and welcoming place, not typical for a TV or film production environment.

    Contrast this with a visit to Letterman, where guests are sequestered in a tiny green room far from the stage for hours before taping, then held after the end of taping in another green room immediately adjacent to the stage while the halls are cleared after the show so Dave doesn't have to even see any of his guests, much less interact with them.

    I didn't meet a lot people in the entertainment business willing to do what Jay did every time we visited his show, which was to take a minute to say hello and have a very human and real interaction.


    BTW, if you're into music in the slightest then I highly recommend the blog: http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/
  14. MikeCC

    MikeCC TiVotee

    Jun 19, 2004
    Dave certainly has been funny, and does have an acerbic slant to things that is in stark contrast to Jay's way of interviewing.

    I thought at first that was just the television-persona each had created.

    Dave's acerbic slant to things can come off as smug and sanctimonious, sometimes. I gotta admit, I have found how he treats some guests as fairly rude at times.

    Jay is very different. He comes across as less confrontational.

    While some folks may find Jay's style as an interviewer as boring, he does tend to make guests feel more relaxed. And apparently, a large segment of the viewing public like an interviewer who seems like a guy they'd like chatting with themselves.

    Now, with the letter from The Presidents music group that poster Bob Coxner reprinted, it seems like Jay Leno is genuinely interested in making his guests feel welcome. It ain't just an act.

    Different styles. But Leno seems like an honestly nice person.
  15. MikeMar

    MikeMar Go Pats

    Jan 7, 2005
    The last night talk shows I watched was when Craig Killbourne was on, I used to watch every ep.
  16. getreal

    getreal postcrastinator

    Sep 29, 2003
    Not sure that Hugh Grant nor Kanye West would agree with that ... ;)

    But I agree with your premise that Leno comes across as a softer, gentler character than Letterman. But Dave seems to be a quicker wit than Jay.

    I would like to see them eventually patch up their former friendship. Like Dean Martin & Jerry Lewis.

    I recall watching Kilborne doing The Daily Show. I thought it was funny, but Craig seemed pretty smarmy with an apparently extremely inflated ego. The Daily Show has been completely transformed since Jon Stewart took over, making Kilborne's tenure a faint memory. I saw only a couple of episodes of Greg Kinnear's version of The Daily Show prior to Kilborne, which was another completely different incarnation of the show.
  17. Jeeters

    Jeeters Registered Snoozer

    Feb 25, 2003
    Although Kilbourne could sometimes come across as smarmy, as mentioned in a previous post, I used to really like his interviews. Not that he asked any probing questions or anything; only that he somehow had a knack for getting the guests to just be themselves. I often got the a feeling I were seeing these people's actual personalities; not just their usual "performance persona" you see when they're on Leno, etc.
  18. KenDC

    KenDC Huggy Bear

    Jun 18, 2001
    Interesting that the video in the OP was in Aug 1991 and Johnny asked him if he could see him doing this another 20 years for a total of 30 years. He laughed hysterically and said, no way. Well, his 30 years would have been in 2011.

    Edit: and I guess longer than Carson did it. Hard to believe.
  19. mattack

    mattack Active Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Greg Kinnear's Daily Show? Are you sure you're not hallucinating? (Or thinking about "Later" perhaps?)

    I realize they are user-generated content, but in a quick search, neither imdb nor wikipedia shows info about Kinnear ever hosting The Daily Show (imdb mentions him twice as a GUEST).

    I've made these musings elsewhere, so I'll keep it short: I liked Kilborn on the Daily Show, but the show ITSELF was way different. From *what I remember*, the long segments were much closer to spoofs of things you'd see on 20/20, rather than more politically oriented stuff as you see now… Plus a *little* bit of topical news stuff. I remember even FFing the long segments often (and I think a comment of mine to that effect was published in the Late Show News e-newsletter), and watching only the equivalent of "Weekend Update".

    Nowadays, I watch the entire show, and it's mostly the show being almost entirely different. (Though of course the original creators are still in the credits on every show.)
  20. Jeeters

    Jeeters Registered Snoozer

    Feb 25, 2003
    Sorry, I meant his Late Show.

    EDIT: Oh, and I said Kilborn, not Kinnear. ;)

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