No argument from me, I'm the same way. When Tim McCarver first started doing games (and I know for most people here, he's a dirty word), he was probably the best at teaching the finer points of the game. And he could do it in an entertaining way (and in many respects, he's uniquely qualified for doing it, because as a catcher he was a hitter, a fielder who could see the whole field from his position and knew the mechanics of pitching. And he had the personality to explain it so a layman could understand it. John Madden was the same way. Except once Madden became immensely popular, there were lots of imitators, who lacked his skills as a commentator, but tried to emulate his personality. And then it just went over the top most of the time. For sports that I don't completely understand all the nuances and technical aspects, it's even more important, as you point out that they explain it to me so I can understand. It's hard to find someone who can do that well without sounding either boring, or being an over the top fan. (Button who you mention had one annoying habit, he went over the top with his exclamations, Scott Hamilton has the same problem). Anyway, I think that for sports fans, we want to know the nuts and bolts, but we're going to watch anyway. They try and bring in those who want to be entertained, not us junkies.