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NBC Olympics coverage may be improving

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Marco, Dec 19, 2013.

  1. Dec 26, 2013 #61 of 391
    daveak

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    They should combine figure skating and hockey.
     
  2. Dec 26, 2013 #62 of 391
    murgatroyd

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    I was surprised at your comment because you were talking about downhill.

    For a summer equivalent, watching the descents during the Tour de France brings back the feeling of what it was like to go downhill when riding my bike. I don't have the bike-handling skills of any of those riders, of course, so the idea of going downhill at the speed those guys do is compelling by nature. The downhill skiing is the same way. If I stumble across it while it's on, I have to watch.

    Maybe it's more fun for people who have a fear of falling. :D

    To steal a phrase from my brother (who was talking about flying at the time) -- I like the falling part -- it's the hitting-the-ground part I can't stand.
     
  3. Dec 27, 2013 #63 of 391
    That Don Guy

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    Didn't they try that once - "women's ice hockey"? (Or is there another way to describe ice hockey where body checking is illegal?) This ended when the line between "body checking" (illegal) and "accidentally running into an opponent while playing the puck" (legal) became more and more blurred.

    This is harder to do ever since they changed the scoring system. The only way you can find out individual judges' scores is to go to the International Skating Union website - and even there, they don't tell you which judges gave which scores. The incident with the pairs competition in 2002 probably would still be a mystery today had this system been in place (and, ironically, that incident is a major factor in why this system was invented).

    As for skiing and snowboarding, the one thing I wish they would do is to go back to the original "one at a time" method for the snowboarding giant slalom; I was never a fan of the head-to-head single-elimination format, even in skiing.
     
  4. Dec 27, 2013 #64 of 391
    DevdogAZ

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    I thought Women's Ice Hockey was part of the Olympics.

    Those are two different events. There's the traditional skiing and snowboarding events where competitors go one at a time and are timed, and then there is the Skiier X/Boarder X events that are supposed to be like motocross and BMX. I find the X events to be much more fun to watch, if for no other reason than the courses look like they would be so much fun to ski down.
     
  5. Dec 30, 2013 #65 of 391
    Bob_Newhart

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    I liked a few Olympics ago when they had speed skiing where they wore these super slick outfits and funky helmets and would start down the mountain and once they reached a certain point (and reached a high rate of speed) is when they would start timing them. I think they got up to 300 or 400 mph.
     
  6. Dec 30, 2013 #66 of 391
    smak

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    I hope you added an extra 0 there.

    -smak-
     
  7. Dec 30, 2013 #67 of 391
    alpacaboy

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    I think I only really take decathalon and marathon seriously as Olympic events.

    They should just do them in the snow for Winter Olympics.
     
  8. Dec 31, 2013 #68 of 391
    secondclaw

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    Agree with you there :) These were the original events of course. Though Biathlon and Cross-Country Skiing are probably closest to this in winter.

     
  9. Dec 31, 2013 #69 of 391
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  10. Dec 31, 2013 #70 of 391
    Steveknj

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    Still, if the judging is bad, it's still fodder for water cooler talk. I still think they tell you where the judges are from, no? Even if they don't reveal who scored what, it's usually pretty easy to figure out who screwed who based on where the judges are from.
     
  11. Dec 31, 2013 #71 of 391
    Steveknj

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    Yes, still a part of the Olympics. And this year, there's kind of a blood feud between the US and Canada teams. They've had brawls in 2 of the last 5 matches and LOTS of chippyness that comes close to crossing the no body checking rules. Should be fun.
     
  12. Dec 31, 2013 #72 of 391
    eddyj

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    Don't be silly. :rolleyes:

    If you want to combine Figure skating with something, it should be shooting! Hard to shoot them when they are jumping and spinning and such! :p
     
  13. Dec 31, 2013 #73 of 391
    Bob_Newhart

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    Figure skating and Pole dancing.
     
  14. Dec 31, 2013 #74 of 391
    That Don Guy

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    Not when the people watching only see two numbers for each skater (well, three, but the third one is the sum of the first two). Yes, they do know where the judges are from (and, in fact, their names), but if the 2002 pairs incident happened in 2014, while you could guess four of the five judges that favored the Russian couple over the Canadian one, there would be no way of knowing for certain who the fifth one was; back in 2002, we knew which judges gave which scores to which skaters because we were told this as the scores were displayed.

    Little-known fact: a computer decided the winner of the men's figure skating competition in 2010. Back then, there were 12 judges, and at the start of each round, a computer would secretly choose three of them to be ignored (to make it harder to make deals to rig scores - who would make a deal if there was a chance that the judge's scores wouldn't even be counted?). As it turned out, about 1/3 of the possible combinations of 3 judges would have given Evgeni Plushecko the gold over Evan Lysacek. (In 2014, there will be nine judges for each round, and all nine will count.)

    The first year "traditional snowboard giant slalom" was done, it was done the way the skiing giant slalom is done - one at a time; fastest combined times of two runs wins. Now, after a preliminary run, the top 16 advance to a single-elimination round where there are two parallel courses (in fact, the event is called "parallel giant slalom" now); each pair does a run on each course, and the faster combined time advances to the next round.

    On the other hand, I don't have a problem with how Snowboard Cross (four at a time, on the same course) is done.
     
  15. Jan 2, 2014 #75 of 391
    Steveknj

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    I don't pay enough attention to these sports to care how they are judged or how they are run. Honestly it's all fun entertainment and I'm glad they made it less transparent. I don't watch enough figure skating to be able to tell the subtle differences in skating to judge. I can only tell if someone got jobbed by what the announcers are telling me, and if it's really obvious (skater 1 skates clean and skater 2 falls, but skater 2 wins). Usually if a skater skates to a song I like, rather than some boring ballet, I'll root for them :)
     
  16. Jan 2, 2014 #76 of 391
    Jonathan_S

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    Eh, that game got less fun once you no longer had the East German judge's score to mock.
     
  17. Jan 2, 2014 #77 of 391
    Steveknj

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    :)

    It used to be fun in the days when it was an American vs. a Soviet and you can see where the judges are from. So, you'd have judges from USSR, GDR, HUN, and POL and you knew they are were all going to vote favorably for the Soviet skater. Then you'd see judges from the USA, CAN, GBR and S. Korea and you knew they'd all vote for the USA skater. The trick was to figure out how the judge from Switzerland might vote :)
     
  18. Jan 2, 2014 #78 of 391
    NYHeel

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    This is why I don't enjoy "judging sports". It just seems crazy that a judge has to submit a score 2-3 minutes afterwards without having analyzed the performance. Do they at least get to watch the routine over on replay to see if they missed something.

    Also, as Steveknj said, I can't really tell the difference between the performances unless someone falls or looks much much worse. So I'm relying on what the announcers say is good and I just come along for the ride. I'd rather just watch the racing oriented competitions.
     
  19. Jan 2, 2014 #79 of 391
    Steveknj

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    I tend to watch...because it's the Olympics. My wife enjoys the skating stuff, so I watch along with her. The racing competitions are better, and I LOVE LOVE LOVE the hockey tourney. I am very much looking forward to that.
     
  20. Jan 2, 2014 #80 of 391
    daveak

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    Yeah, back in the days of MAD and detente' when things were more predictable. :)
     

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