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NBC has record sweeps...and not in a good way.

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Azlen, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. Feb 26, 2013 #41 of 164
    WhiskeyTango

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    So what happens if you cancel everything and none of the new shows stick? At least with a couple of holdovers, you know what you'll get week after week even if it isn't very good. You don't put all your eggs in one basket.
     
  2. Feb 26, 2013 #42 of 164
    Steveknj

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    So if you are showing promos on shows that nobody is watching, how is that helping things? They have only two shows where advertising during the shows is going to matter, and that's The Voice and SNF. The rest of the shows, it's like advertising in a dark tunnel. This is a network that has to REALLY look outside the box. They REALLY need to advertise heavily on social media and other places. They should also buy as much time during the hit cable shows, even on ones not owned by Comcast.
     
  3. Feb 26, 2013 #43 of 164
    Steveknj

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    This is true, but, the shows they bring back, it just makes them look like horrible losers. People think, two things....is this the best they got, and, is that show still on? And they move on. And it's not like shows like Parenthood hasn't been given a chance. I'm a fan of Parenthood, it's one of my favorites, as was Chuck, another show I'm glad they stuck with, but not sure it deserved to be saved. This network REALLY needs a reboot. And they have to show people that they've rebooted. Big advertising campaign that they are the NEW NBC. They can use some old classic hits as a bumper in their ads, and then say....in the spirit of the NBC we all loved, here's the NEW NBC. And, to me, the target should be Fox. They need desperately to go after a younger crowd.

    I know it's about making money, but you have to have some long term vision for the future of the company and not look at short term profits by throwing crap on TV because it's cheap. It's a gamble, what do they have to lose at this point?
     
  4. Feb 26, 2013 #44 of 164
    Steveknj

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    You know that you have no success week after week. It's like the baseball team that plays the mediocre 2B who is never going to be very good, instead of making the bold mood and signing the young free agent with potential. Yeah, the free agent might be a bust, but you already know the guy you have now IS a bust.
     
  5. Feb 26, 2013 #45 of 164
    jsmeeker

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    or, like being stuck with Tony Romo


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  6. Feb 26, 2013 #46 of 164
    WhiskeyTango

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    False analogy. It's one thing if you are replacing one or two "players". Getting rid of your entire team and hoping you can find an entire new one is a different story. It doesn't make sense to take such a risk. It would be like replacing an entire MLB roster with the AAA team.
     
  7. Feb 26, 2013 #47 of 164
    sharkster

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    Seems like forever since the NBC heyday.

    I just hope 'The New Normal', 'Go On', and 'Whitney' (in that order from fav down) don't get the ax. Well, ok - I would be fine with Whitney going, and I could survive with Go On getting axed. But I love The New Normal. I like 1600 Penn also, but I have a feeling it's not long for this world.

    These days network shows are the minority, by a long shot, of what I watch. Just a handful of sitcoms and a few things like Rock Center, occasionally Dateline, and a very few dramas - otherwise it's cable or 'movie type channel' cable shows for me.
     
  8. Feb 26, 2013 #48 of 164
    WhiskeyTango

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    Oh please. That's just not true.
     
  9. Feb 26, 2013 #49 of 164
    scooterboy

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    I know you're relatively new here, but there are lots and lots of TCFers who loved that show. You're not alone anymore!
     
  10. Feb 26, 2013 #50 of 164
    Jeeters

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    That logo always used to reminde me of AMC's logo...

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  11. Feb 26, 2013 #51 of 164
    Steveknj

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    no, I think it would be more like replacing a last place teams worth of players, except their best two players with some AAA up and comers. With the old players you KNOW you were gonna suck, but with the new players you might still suck but at least you know that there's potential to be better.
     
  12. Feb 26, 2013 #52 of 164
    Steveknj

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    How is that not true? If you are advertising during the lowest rated shows, how is that getting the word out?
     
  13. Feb 26, 2013 #53 of 164
    WhiskeyTango

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    You're arguing semantics now. Their 'place' is irrelevant.

    And therein lies the rub. There is also the potential to be worse - and actually a complete failure. By keeping some of the older shows, they know to what degree they will suck if nothing else improves. Remove that constant and there is no telling how low they could go. You simply don't take that kind of risk. You get rid of the worst, keep what's salvageable and try again next year to develop a few more keepers. At which point you again get rid of the worst and continue to build the brand rather than throwing **** at the wall and hoping it all works out for the best. Given their track record of new shows failing, your 'start from scratch' method would end in utter failure.

    You said "nobody" is watching. That is not true. NBC isn't always the lowest rated shows. Even if they are, they still have an audience of at least a few millions viewers. The word will still get out to them.
     
  14. Feb 26, 2013 #54 of 164
    JYoung

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    Obviously NBC needs to do something radical.
    Like moving Jay Leno to 10 PM every weekday.
     
  15. Feb 26, 2013 #55 of 164
    DevdogAZ

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    To continue the baseball analogy, haven't you ever seen a situation where a team brings in one or two new players at the trading deadline and suddenly the rest of the players start performing better? It happens all the time. There's no reason shows like Parks & Rec or Parenthood couldn't improve in the ratings if a couple new shows brought a fresh crop of viewers to NBC.

    Completely replacing the entire roster would be insane. Unlike baseball, TV networks don't have long-suffering fans that come back year after year, win or lose. TV viewers watch the networks that have the shows they like. If a network doesn't have any shows you like, you rarely ever tune to that network. When was the last time you just casually tuned into Lifetime or CMT just to see what was on? You don't do that, because those networks (or insert your own forgotten networks here) don't give you any reason to tune in. If NBC didn't carry over any existing shows, the likelihood of any of their new shows becoming hits would go WAY down, and they can't afford to reduce their already miniscule chances of creating a hit.


    Even the low rated shows on NBC get 4-5 million viewers. That's a huge number of people who see promos and have the potential to tune into new shows.
     
  16. Feb 26, 2013 #56 of 164
    Azlen

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    Another problem with that is they don't have a whole team of AAA players to move up. In order to replace their entire lineup, they would probably have to sink to the AA and A level.
     
  17. Feb 26, 2013 #57 of 164
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    We need to kill the baseball analogy, because TV networks don't have minor league shows in development just waiting to get called up to the bigs. If NBC scraps their lineup, they'd be starting from scratch with completely unproven shows. It would be like a baseball team firing all their players and then going out on the street and filling their roster with 25 random guys who have never played at all.

    And to further complicate the problem, the agents that represent the best shows and the best talent don't want anything to do with NBC. If you're a show creator and you think your show has a lot of promise, or you're a talent agent an you think your client's project has promise, NBC is going to be your last choice among the four broadcast networks. This means that NBC is getting the stuff the other networks have already turned down. Same is true for casting. When given the choice, actors will opt for the pilot that's being produced for the more stable networks, because the chances of long-term success are much better. This ultimately means that NBC either has to way overpay for their pilots and actors, or they're left with the bottom of the creative barrel.
     
  18. Feb 26, 2013 #58 of 164
    ThePhoenix

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    It was off so long I thought it had been cancelled anb ended up deleting the 3 or 4 episodes I hadn't watched yet. If I knew it was still alive, I would have kept them and caught up.

    Maybe they'll rerun some of the old episodes before starting the new ones?
     
  19. Feb 26, 2013 #59 of 164
    DevdogAZ

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    They might as well. Reruns of Revolution couldn't do any worse in the ratings than some of the new stuff they've been putting on.
     
  20. Feb 26, 2013 #60 of 164
    Lee 2.0

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