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MPEG4 comes to Fios

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by wmcbrine, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    I don't know. I think TiVo will cave if/when H.264 becomes widespread and they start getting flooded with calls.

    If TiVo wants to force people to upgrade, then the least they could do is allow a TSN swap for monthly subscribers, or a $199 lifetime service transfer.
     
  2. philhu

    philhu User Since Day ONE!

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    Update on TiVo/fios/mpeg4

    Hbo and Cinemax went mpeg4 on fios

    If I tuned to these, I got a cable card diag screen

    I called fios, he spent 40 minutes manually updating my cable cards on all 3 tivos. One premiere and 2 TiVo HDs. They all work now!!!

    FYI

    Fios/vh06 Boston
     
  3. NYHeel

    NYHeel Active Member

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    I could be wrong but I don't think those channels went mpeg4. I think they just instituted the copy once flag and required the cable cards to be paired directly to the device that they're in.
     
  4. philhu

    philhu User Since Day ONE!

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    You might be right

    That would explain why the tivohd units are working
    Too

    Ill try some copy transfers tomorrow to see
    If it got turned on
     
  5. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    They just enabled the copy protection. I wish they would convert all the premium channels to MPEG4. That would free up alot of space to add more HD channels.
     
  6. philhu

    philhu User Since Day ONE!

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    Yes except until they fix their qam mapping, promised almost 2 yrs ago, they can't add more than a handful
     
  7. philhu

    philhu User Since Day ONE!

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    So, to reopen this thread

    Did anyone with a tivohd see any problems?
    Has FIOS made more channels H.264?
    Did anyone scream at TIVO about this? I read somewhere that people were given very good prices on Premier units when they complained that they lost channels.
     
  8. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    There have been a few new H.264 channels added, notably BeIN Sport, on channel 598, which is available without a premium package (you might need Ultimate, though; I'm not sure). None of the existing channels have been converted, AFAIK. They announced a group as transitioning back in April, but then they postponed it, with no new date.

    The H.264 channels still don't work on Series 3's (including HD's).
     
  9. philhu

    philhu User Since Day ONE!

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    Wow. It sure seems that Tivo missed a great opportunity to add H.264 support for Series 3 units when they sent out 11.0m to fix the cookie problem.

    They could have fixed all the inconsistencies in the UI too, like 'Now Playing' nomenclature, etc.

    But we all know that tivo isn't really in it to help customers :(
     
  10. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Why would they do that? There needs to be a reason to upgrade to the newer boxes.
     
  11. shwru980r

    shwru980r Active Member

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    Many of the S3's with lifetime subscriptions are so old that they can't be counted as subscriptions anymore and more and more are rolling off every day. There probably aren't enough monthly S3 subscriptions to make this worthwhile.
     
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    They are not going to add any more features to the S3 platform... EVER! The only reason they even released this version is because a time bomb bug broke something that had to be fixed. The S3 platform is dead. If you want new features you'll have to buy a new box.

    And the same will be true of the Premiere units eventually too. At some point TiVo will EOL the Premiere as a means of enticing people to buy new Series5 boxes. That's just how their business works.
     
  13. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    Actually I can't comment on whether 11.0m supports H.264, although I'll be surprised if it does. I'm still on 11.0k, as I think are most Series 3's.

    I'm expecting just the cookie fix in 11.0m (I think this has already been confirmed to be there), but I'll look for other changes when I get it.
     
  14. lessd

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    I don't think any good co would take that view, you would have natural limits on what the hardware could do, but you should never have a loss of functionality that software could fix, if I remember TiVo fixed the DST time problem with the Series 1 TiVos, and both Series 1 and Series 2 TiVos can still work, just not in HD, I think TiVo has done a good job with what they had to work with.

    I worked for a co that put new products all the time, not to make their old products obsolete but to give customers more functionality as better hardware components at lower prices came on the market. We supported out products for at least 10 years.

    in 1996 TiVo could have never made a TiVo that would do HD when it came out in what 2004 or 2005 there were no low priced components to do it with. The first drives (I think)were 15Gb to keep the price reasonable.
    Every co must balance functionality with price, having great TiVo type functionality costing $30,000 would be of no value for the retail market.
     
  15. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The only two bugs TiVo has ever updated in obsolete hardware is the DST issue and now the TiVoToGo cookie issue. Both are show stopper bugs that completely broke core functionality. The S3 was never sold with the promise of supporting H.264, so this isn't a bug it's a limitation of an obsolete platform. TiVo has no business incentive to add support now. Especially when they're about to release another new platform making the S3 two generations old.

    If they release another software update for the S3 or anything other then the cookie fixed I will be truly shocked.
     
  16. lessd

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    Will the hardware of the TiVo-HD support H.264 with ease if only TiVo would do some software work ?
     
  17. wmcbrine

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    It does it now, in New Zealand. And it does it here, but only in the context of pushed files (TiVoCasts, etc.), or HME streams (in both cases using MP4 containers rather than transport streams).
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yes the hardware supports H.264. In fact the same basic hardware was used in the Aus/NZ units and they actually support H.264 channels. So this is purely a business thing. They have not sold a new S3 unit in over 3 years, they have not released a software update for it in over 2. The platform is obsolete. The chance of them investing anything in upgrading the S3 software at this point, even if it's not that much work, is slim to none. They have no incentive to do it. Proliferation of H.264 is not very wide spread anyway and for those that need it they have a platform that supports it. Investing money into the S3 right now makes no financial sense to them. Most, if not all, of the lifetime S3 units have long since been written off the books and are actually costing them money now. And I doubt there enough monthly units out there to finance an upgrade.

    The platform is dead. If you want H.264 get a Premiere, or better yet wait a couple months and get a Series 5 instead.
     
  19. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    And that's the truth of it!

    If someone doesn't approve of TiVo's business decisions, they should start a DVR company, risk $millions of investment, and run it the way they think is "fair" to the consumer. (And say goodbye to your investment.)

    No actually, I'd prefer you start a new Cable company and compete with TWC in my neighborhood! ;) And don't use Tuning Adapters!
     
  20. cram501

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    I think it's a mistake not adding h.264 support to the current series 3 boxes. They've done it in other geographic locations, so it shouldn't be a big leap. It's just a matter of garnering good will/loyalty with your customer base. The lack of support for h.264 just makes me less likely to buy another Tivo any time soon.

    If someone doesn't approve of Tivo's business decisions, they don't need to start their own, they just need to spend their money elsewhere.

    I'll wait and see what the series 5 has to offer but I'll probably have a more cynical view of the product.
     

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