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MPEG4 comes to Fios

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by wmcbrine, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    Like aaronwt said, AMC is not changing the way they send content. Most likely FIOS will be re-encoding the mpeg-2 feed on the fly. So FIOS will not be able to improve the quality but it will just let them save bandwidth for more channels/content. It would break too many things if the networks themselves switched to h.264 at the source. I'm sure some point in the future more networks will do that but I don't see it happening in the near future.
     
  2. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    Verizon is not planning on reencoding anything to MPEG-4, AFAIK. Rather, they already reencode a bunch of channels from h.264 to MPEG-2, and their goal is to stop doing that. I think in the long term most channel providers will switch, but some already have.
     
  3. rainwater

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    Yeah, I was referring to AMC which is still mpeg-2. For now, you see only a few current channels actually sending h.264 from the source compared to mpeg-2. It will slowly change over time but I don't think it will be happening that quickly. I can't imagine any new channels using mpeg-2 however.
     
  4. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    I actually have Verizon FIOS. It's a shame that AMC has such great shows and then sends out such a poor quality feed. Walking Dead is especially bad because there are many night time scenes with lots of movement. I have to resort to getting the episodes via bittorrent just so I can get a high quality copy. Then the networks wonder why people steal........
     
  5. Mr. E

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    They'd better not leave the Series 3 and HD behind in this update. We know those boxes are fully capable of decoding h.264 because of their YouTube support. There will be a LOT of people getting their torches and pitchforks out if they start losing channels for no reason other than marketing.
     
  6. shamilian

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    I don't think they care about supporting old hardware. Lifetime support is up to them to define when it comes to upgrading the OS/Applications....

    From Twitter...

    @tivodesign will my TiVo Series3 HD ever get any update love?

    @sudrin I do not expect any significant updates to Series3/HD.
     
  7. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    IIRC, We know that the S3 and TivoHD can handle H.264. Some users push it to their Tivos with pyTivo.

    I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
     
  8. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    So no one ever came forward that had the Baseball package with those MPEG4 channels?
     
  9. socrplyr

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    If someone wants to pay for it, I'll add it and test. :) I don't watch baseball, so it is somewhat moot for me.
     
  10. aaronwt

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    Hopefully some more channels show up with MPEG4 soon.

    EDIT: I mean H.264. I'll get it right one day.
     
  11. BigJimOutlaw

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    All this reminds me how much I miss the DSLR boards. Great Fios resource. Hope they're back up soon.
     
  12. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Hasn't it been two weeks now?

    At AVS someone mentioned that one of the VHOs got some new international channels that use H.264. So hopefully things start speeding up.
     
  13. txporter

    txporter One sec, almost done

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    I am not sure that I would say that Series3 and TivoHD are fully capable. TivoHD seemed to be better at decoding various resolution/framerates of H.264 files than Series3 (from what I have gathered working with moyekj on some kmttg profiles). I have found that my Premiere is somewhat better at H.264 playback than my TivoHDs. Most everything IS watchable on my TivoHDs but I have had some audio sync issues on it that I never experience on my Premieres and the Premiere handles 23.976fps video better.
     
  14. Azlen

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    I'm assuming that people with Fios and Tivo will not be able to see the H.264 channels until the new software update. I have Cox in Phoenix and am unable to see the H.264 channels on Tivo. I had the same cablecard in an HD HomeRun Prime and was able to see the channels. I'm hoping to get the spring update sooner than later.
     
  15. aaronwt

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    here is what was posted at AVS about the five new HD international channels using MPEG4 on VHO 08.

     
  16. shamilian

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    I tweeted Margret on May 1....

    @tivodesign Will mpeg4 (H.264) over cable work with Premiere and TivoHD?
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    @shamilian Which cable company?

    @tivodesign Verizon FIOS - I am told they are adding new stations using H.264

    @shamilian Thanks. I will check and see if we've confirmed compatibility.


    no reply yet......
     
  17. aaronwt

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    I am not subscribed to any of the eight, MPEG4, HD channels that FiOS has added recently. Although if I tune to the channel, the DVR diagnostics does show the channels are encoded with H.264. But since I am not subscribed I will not get a picture. So I have no way to test my premieres to see if they will tune the channels in without issue.
     
  18. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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  19. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    This is great news then. At least if you have an S4 box. I wonder if they will send out an update for the S3 boxes so the H.264 channels can be viewed on them?
     
  20. Phantom Gremlin

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    Much as I would like my TiVo HD boxes to support H.264, adding that capability would be a very dumb business move on TiVo's part. Lots of work, no revenue (at least not from me, on lifetime). You could make a better business case if the majority of the S3 boxes were on month-to-month payments.
     

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