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Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by moyekj, Nov 19, 2013.

  1. morac

    morac Cat God

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    I could swear when the Stream first came out it was capable of transcoding 4 streams at once. I just tried watching a stream in home from my Roamio Pro on my iPhone while downloading a HD program to my iPad and the stream failed do to "low bandwidth".

    An hour long program transferred at medium rate takes around 17 minute. Checking my router's bandwidth page, the output of the stream in the Roamio Pro seems to peak at about a little over 6 Mbps.

    On an unrelated note, checking the Stream's web page, I'm noticing that it's not releasing old downloads/streams from the clients page. This makes the Stream think it's not idle which prevents it from switching to low power mode. Manually clearing out the old transfers works around that.

    Lastly, if I restart the stream from the iOS app or web page, I need to setup OOH streaming again, which apparently just checks the "proxy enabled" checkbox on the Out-Of-Home screen.
     
  2. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

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    Yeah all the marketing states you can stream up to 4 things at once. I used to get the "low bandwidth" message when streaming 3 things at once until I got close to the router and it went away.

    I've noticed the same issue that sometimes old downloads/streams don't release without manual intervention, but then again I'm constantly in the full statistics page monitoring the system temp.

    I'm not seeing the issue of having to rerun OOH setup after resetting through the web page or iOS app and I've done this while away from home the past three weeks several times for no good reason.
     
  3. morac

    morac Cat God

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    TiVo's stream support page now says they support 1 stream or download at a time. Then again they also says that streaming required a UPNP enabled router, which makes no sense considering the proxy. From my testing I could not stream more than 1 thing at once.

    I only tried restarting once and when I did the "use proxy" box unchecked. Maybe I didn't give it enough time and it would have checked itself later, but I doubt it. All the OOH streaming option does is enable to proxy. Without the proxy streaming won't work.
     
  4. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

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    Every time I try to do OOH streaming with the proxy unchecked it fails. The FAQ still reports up to 4 streams internally and 1 stream/download externally.

    These are the settings I've come across that generally I don't think we're supposed to be able to see but my browser glitched. [​IMG]
    • Restrict Sysinfo Access can't be unchecked.
    • Encrypted HLS can't be unchecked.
    • Rotate HLS Keys can't be unchecked.
    • Secure HLS can't be unchecked.
    • Secure HLS Developer Override can't be checked.
    • Low Bitrate Mode can be checked and causes new in home streams to use a lower encoding resolution and targeted bitrate. This resets to unchecked upon restart.
    • Override Bitrate can't be checked.
    • Bitrate can be modified but doesn't stick upon clickout.
    • Audio Gain can be modified but doesn't stick upon clickout.
    • Enable High Profile can be unchecked but I'm not sure what good it does since it just changes encoding from H.264 High Level 4.1 to H.264 Main Level 3.1. This resets to checked upon restart.
    • Enable Multiple Profiles can be unchecked but I'm not sure what it's supposed to do since everything seems to behave the same way. This resets to checked upon restart.
    • Enable Audio Profiles can't be checked.
    • Debug Level can be modified but doesn't stick upon clickout.
    • Enable low power mode can't be unchecked.
     
  5. morac

    morac Cat God

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    I can't download and stream at the same time in home from the same Roamio Pro. The FAQ says I should be able to get 3 streams with that setup.

    I don't see the advanced or log options on my Roamio Pro either.
     
  6. JWhites

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    I attempted this while I was making my last post earlier and it worked fine and I have a stand alone Stream. I'm really starting to think it might be your router or wireless interference or just network congestion.
     
  7. morac

    morac Cat God

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    It's not my Wifi (802.11n dual band) as I can get over 54 Mbps on speed tests on my iOS devices to the Internet. My Roamio Pro is connected via a MoCa bridge to my router. The Roamio Pro bridges network traffic and I can get 100 Mbps through that connection.

    The limit seems to be the Roamio Pro as the combined streaming bandwidth was maxing out at about 6 to 7 Mbps. That's enough to transfer an hour long program at medium quality in about 15 minutes.

    Edit: I was able to stream two programs to two different devices today. I had rebooted the Stream in the Roamio Pro last night, but hadn't retested after doing so.
     
  8. JWhites

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    Good luck, I wonder if what you are experiencing is unique to built in Streams and not stand alone Streams, even though it theoretically should work identically. Could you possibly test with another Roamio or via Ethernet? Like with me I'm using Gigabit Ethernet on the Stream with Gigabit Ethernet on the Premiere 4 on a Gigabit Ethernet enabled N router connected to a Gigabit Ethernet switch.
     
  9. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    What was the sysinfo url to get to this? How did you glitch it/what browser were you using?
     
  10. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    http://<STREAMIP>:49152/sysinfo
    Last I checked, Windows Internet Explorer suffers from the glitch that exposes these normally hidden fields. Though it doesn't help much to see them since they can't be changed anyway.
     
  11. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

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    Yeah I'm using IE10. IE11 works normally as does Chrome, so I'm not sure what's causing the glitch.
     
  12. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

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    morac, I'm a little confused because both the Roamio and stand alone Stream FAQ says: "You can stream up to four shows simultaneously to four mobile devices in your home. Please note that to support two to four streams, you may need more than one DVR. Being able to stream four shows simultaneously also depends on the bitrate of the source recordings. For example, you may have difficulties streaming four high bitrate HD programs at the same time" The packaging on my Stream says you can stream 3 shows from one Premiere and 4 shows with two Premieres. I'm assuming the same for the built in Streams in the Roamios. I did a support page mention "Currently the TiVo Stream and TiVo App only support downloading a single in-progress recording at a time." but nothing about being limited to one in home streaming session. I also found a support page for out of home streaming mention the need to have UPnP enabled which surprised me, then again I don't know up to date any of these support pages (or FAQ's) are since they seem to have other outdated information like referencing six dots as "full strength" when the current iOS app contains seven squares and the stand alone Stream FAQ still has things like out of home streaming listed as "coming soon".
     
  13. morac

    morac Cat God

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    Rather than repost, I'll simply link to a thread I made.

    Basically I'm seeing OOH streaming bit rates of 2.2 Mpbs which is the same as in home according to the OOH support document. Though that seems outdated considering it mentions a maximum of 6 dots when the max is now 7, which is what I got streaming OOH.

    Last week I was getting 3 dots OOH.
     
  14. Bytez

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    I can't get the url to load in IE or Chrome. Do I need to open ports in the router?
     

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