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Moca off on Verizon Router

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by WRX09MD, Sep 7, 2013.

  1. Sep 7, 2013 #1 of 32
    WRX09MD

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    I have A Verizon Router and a linksys EA 4500. I have the linksys functioning as my primary router in the house. When I Hooked up my Roamio and tried to use moca on it to connect my mini upstairs it screwed everything up with my Linksys. It looks like the Roamio was picking up the ip from the verizon Router. I have the Roamio connecting to the linksys with moca turned off and as soon as I turn moca on it jumps ship.

    What can I do to keep the moca running on my Linksys network and not verizons? Will a filter somewhere work? How can I keep the Roamio from straying onto the Verizon? Drove me crazy all night trying to fix this. Thanks for any i put.
     
  2. Sep 7, 2013 #2 of 32
    mdscott

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    Hermosa...
    What brand/model Verizon router do you have. That will help in developing some troubleshooting suggestions. It would also help to have a basic understanding of how the various devices involved are connected.

    Also which Roamio do you have?

    michael
     
  3. Sep 7, 2013 #3 of 32
    WRX09MD

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    I have the actiontec MI424WR router running my coax feeds in the house and ethernet from verizon to my to my linksys router EA4500. I have my linksys on its own IP feeding all of my ethernets in the house which is the feed I want to run moca on for my Roamio plus with two mini's. when I turn on moca on the plus its IP is saying its seeing the verizon router and screwing with my local lan from the linksys.

    How can I block the plus from seeing the Verizon IP and only seeing the my linksys network? Not sure if thats what I need it to do or if there is a better way to stop the crosstalk. Can I turn the moca off on the verizon router or will the plus still pick it up. Will a filter block the plus from the actiontec? Thanks again for some ideas and help.
     
  4. Sep 7, 2013 #4 of 32
    mdscott

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    Hermosa...
    You CAN stop the Verizon router from creating a MoCA network but that is not necessary. Try having the Roamio just join the existing network.

    The Roamio should have no EtherNet cable attached. In the Network Settings screen simply choose MoCA as network type. The Verizon router will be acting as bridge between MoCA and EtherNet.

    Only the Linksys is set to distribute IP addresses yes?

    michael
     
  5. Sep 7, 2013 #5 of 32
    WRX09MD

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    I think I need to stop the Verizon from creating the moca network because thats what the TiVo is seeing for the network because Verizon is creating it.

    I want the TiVo connected to the Linksys lan which I have wired and have the TiVo create the moca network from the Linksys.

    The Verizon router has an IP but my Linksys has one also that I gave it because the two conflicted with each other. Anytime I connect something I always pick up or use the Linksys.

    Not sure what you mean about linksys only distributing ip's. its the only one I use in the house.
     
  6. Sep 7, 2013 #6 of 32
    mdscott

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    Hermosa...
    This Verizon router by default assigns IP addresses to all connected devices.

    Here is a link to the user manual for the router: Just choose an download the specific one you need. You connect to and interact with the router using your browser.

    You connect to the Cable Modem/Router using any browser. I expect that the default user id and password settings will not have been changed.

    Navigate to the MoCA screen and disable the router from creating a MoCA network.

    michael
     
  7. Sep 7, 2013 #7 of 32
    Scooby Doo

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    mdscott has given the correct instructions for what you have asked. But this isn't the best configuration with the equipment you have. You would be far better having the Roamio and the mini both connect by moca to the Verizon router. If it is a problem having the devices connected to the two routers on different subnets then put the Linksys router into bridge mode.
     
  8. Sep 7, 2013 #8 of 32
    WRX09MD

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    Thanks on the info, I have read the manual and have been in the verizon settings and cant figure out how to turn it off. Verizon rep stated that I cant turn it off bcause I will lose my internet feed which the virizon router converts it to ethernet for me which I need for the linksys. He also stated I could get another brand router with moca built in and get rid of the verizon one and have everything running off of the new router.

    I have now run the Roamio with the 2 minis off of the verizon moca network and am using my linksys for everything else in the house. I suppose it really doesnt matter if you have two seperate networks going in the house as long as it works for what I need.

    If there is anymore useful info I could try to get it all on the same linksys network besides running ethernet to the minis Im willing to try it.

    Thanks again
     
  9. Sep 7, 2013 #9 of 32
    Scooby Doo

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    The only problem you may have is that mobile devices running the Tivo app and connected to the Linksys by wifi may not see the Tivos because the are on a different subnet. If this is the case, and if it matters to you, then the solution is to put the Linksys into bridge mode. This will put all your devices, whether connected to the Verizon router or the Linksys, onto the same subnet.
     
  10. WRX09MD

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    Very true, i would have realized that later when I tried to connect to it. I forgot to mention that I have another Roamio downstairs for me which is still connected to my linksys so wifi will work on that for me. The other Roamio and minis are upstairs for the wife and kids which I don't need to connect to but would be nice to.

    I have read about bridging the linksys but looks a little bit over my head or just scares me a bit. What are the cons of the linksys if I do this. Remember I want to use the linksys for all wired and wireless connections but use verizon router for moca. Im willing to try it and would like to be able to do it to access everything. I have read that it shuts some things down in the linksys when this is done. It doesnt look to complicated to do it but dont want to lose any features of the linksys. Thanks for the help.
     
  11. Scooby Doo

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    You would only need to make one change: in the Linksys configuration there should be an option called something like router mode with options like DHCP, NAT and Bridge. Make a note of the current setting, then change it to Bridge mode and check if everything works the way you want. If not, change it back.
     
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  13. mdscott

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    Hermosa...
     
  14. mdscott

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    Hermosa...
    ps to WRX09MD -- Lived 20 year in Pittsburgh -- but I am overlooking your signature. :)
     
  15. dianebrat

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    FWIW I had a similar situation where i was bridging the Verizon router and letting my Linksys dual N router handle DHCP, wireless, etc, when I added MoCA devices in I had a variety of odd issues, in the end I stepped back and evaluated what was most important, and ease of setup was top, so i did the following:
    Let the ActionTec handle DHCP and network assignments, let it bridge MoCA and ethernet.
    Turned the Linksys into just a wireless AP and pulled DHCP off it.

    All my issues went away, and everything was 100% easier to manage.
     
  16. Scooby Doo

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    That is what I am suggesting. Glad it worked for you.
     
  17. Scooby Doo

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    Those directions are sort of horrible. If you are already familiar with the process for changing configuration options on your Linksys, which by the sound of it you are, then you can just go in and make one configuration change as I suggested and you are done. You aren't losing anything: the note just says that the Linksys no longer provides DHCP or firewall, which of course is correct. But these functions are provided by the Verizon router; at the moment you are duplicating this functionality, which is not actually a good thing.
     
  18. WRX09MD

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    Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions. Im going to give it a whirl tomorrow and see what happens. I definitely would like to have it all working properly. Which ports on the two routers need to be connected when I bridge it?? I would do it tonight but the wifey is on the computer taking some classes and if she looses connection I'm in for it. Lol. :)
     
  19. WRX09MD

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    I spent the 4th in Pittsburgh last year. Stayed in that hotel across the river from the stadium. Nice city. I thought your profile name was from MD. :)
     
  20. mdscott

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    just first & middle initials. Mostly enjoyed Pittsburgh but glad to be back home in SoCal with 6 grandkids.:up:
     

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