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MoCA Mini Question

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by GumboChief, Sep 20, 2013.

  1. Tivo II Jack

    Tivo II Jack New Member

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    When I first turned on my computer yesterday, I did a manual connect to Tivo and then began reading emails. After the Connect was showing (Done) for all 5 steps, I noticed an error message popping onto my screen. It said something couldn't be found or be connected (forgot to take note) but simply pressing any button on the remote brought me back to the Connect page showing the 5 steps as (Done).

    No idea what it was about, but I just did the exact same thing, manual connect and let it sit showing the Connect screen with all 5 steps (Done) and the error message did not return, so all appears good.

    As for the streaming problem you mentioned, I have the TW app on my Galaxy S4 Android phone. Any time I attempt to use it, I see this:

    We see you're on cellular

    Exclusively for Verizon
    Wireless customers, you
    can now view some
    channels away from
    home. Your full TWC TV
    line-up will return when
    you're back on your home
    network.​

    That is what I have always seen, even though the only times I have tried to access it I have been sitting in the same room as my computer/modem/router, everything. Not that concerned because I have little or no desire to watch TV on a phone screen.
     
  2. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Yes..that's probably a double NAT issue. Because of the double NAT the TW servers can't connect to the TW app on your phone (which it does to determine if you are at home or not), it falls back to using cellular. If you actually watched TV that way you would be using your cellular data, not going through your cable modem connection at all.
     
  3. Tivo II Jack

    Tivo II Jack New Member

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    This is not a new issue, I have always gotten that Cellular message even long before I ever bought the Netgear modem/router when I was still using the modem supplied by TW.

    On another note: "Current Setup: 2 Roamio Pros, 5 Minis on FiOS"

    Can I assume you were once a TW subscriber and switched to FIOS? I have TW right now but I live in an 84 unit Co-Op building in Bay Ridge. The building has just been fully wired for FIOS and it will be available in August. How satisfied are you with FIOS rather than TW?
     
  4. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I was actually a DirecTV customer prior to FiOS. I live in a Cablevision area, not a TWC one, so I personally have never had TWC. My son has TWC in his apartment in Manhattan and despises it, for TV and for broadband.

    We have been FiOS customers for internet and phone since the first week it was offered for sale in New Jersey. We have been very pleased with both the quality of the service overall, and particularly the reliability (during the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy power was out in our area for 8 days...FiOS never went out at all).

    FiOS TV and TiVo are a great combination. There are the usual multiple attempts required before the Cablecard gets paired (pairing is only required for HBO and Cinemax), but other than that it just works. Picture quality is great (DirecTV and FiOS are generally acknowledged as having the best PQ in the business). If we have any complaint, it is that the audio level is low on Dolby 5.1 channels...lower than the 2.0 channels so we are frequently raising or lowering the volume when we change channels.

    Bottom line, if FiOS is at all price competitive, I wouldn't hesitate to switch.
     
  5. Tivo II Jack

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    The above comment threw me off for a minute. I thought you were saying you had both FIOS and Direct TV. Now I believe you were only stating that each has the best PQ.

    Have no idea what the pricing will be but competition should always bring down prices. I am hoping they will offer a trial period so I can keep TW while I evaluate FIOS.

    There used to be a guy here named Rich S Adams who was the absolute greatest. He solved more problems for more people than you would believe and I think he was finally overwhelmed and just moved on. It has to be at least 7 years ago that he advised me to go to FIOS the minute they become available.

    Re your time with cablevision, all the cable companies beat the anti-Trust laws by simply dividing every neighborhood in the country into little zones within which, residents were only able to access one cable company thereby eliminating any competition. Pretty sure that was all set up by Tony Soprano.
     
  6. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    There had to have been some level of collusion to achieve that, which would still have violated anti-competition laws.
     
  7. Tivo II Jack

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    Are you even suggesting that it didn't happen exactly as stated? It is only changing now because satellite TV arrived on the scene. Cable TV only became available around 1985 in NYC's outer boroughs, so for 30 years they have played their little game of dividing up the nation between themselves so they were never actually competing with each other.

    If you knew of a cable provider with much lower prices, the only way to get that price was to move into one of the neighborhoods they serviced. The five mafia families in NY divided up the city but the cable companies went way beyond that and divided up the entire country.

    I don't know what you mean by "anti-competition laws", the only thing I ever heard of was the Sherman anti-Trust laws. That would only be violated if only one company was able to provide service nationwide.

    My neighborhood can only get TW, and less than a mile away there is another neighborhood where only Cablevision is available. They are not competing with each other, you have to go with the one that 'owns' your neighborhood.

    The Gambino crime family cannot start running drugs and prostitution in an area controlled by the Genovese family. Well, they could, but it would mean a war between the two families.

    What is preventing TW from wiring areas serviced by Cablevision and going into competition with them. No 'war' would erupt but they are ALL willingly playing by the agreements that were set up and put in place LONG before any of them began actually providing cable service.

    You better believe that TONS of money (bribes) went under the table which has allowed them to operate as mini-monopolies all across the country for the past 30 years. With DOZENS of cable companies in service across the country, the fact that for 30 years the only one accessible to me in my neighborhood has been TW. If that does not make it a mini-monoploly, I don't know what does.
     
  8. tarheelblue32

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    "Plain agreements among competitors to divide sales territories or assign customers are almost always illegal. These arrangements are essentially agreements not to compete: "I won't sell in your market if you don't sell in mine." The FTC uncovered such an agreement when two chemical companies agreed that one would not sell in North America if the other would not sell in Japan. Illegal market sharing may involve allocating a specific percentage of available business to each producer, dividing sales territories on a geographic basis, or assigning certain customers to each seller."

    http://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/comp...-laws/dealings-competitors/market-division-or
     
  9. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Yes that is what I was saying, but we also did have both FiOS and DirecTV for about 6 weeks. We waited out our 30 day "cancellation without penalty" period on FiOS and TiVo before we cancelled DirecTV. So we had many opportunities to do a/b comparisons between the two and I couldn't see any difference. We also had some recorded shows to watch. :)

    Yeah, I remember Rich...we was a great guy. TCF was a lot different back then.
     
  10. Tivo II Jack

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    This may be an apples and oranges situation so let me ask one simple question that applies to cable only. The arrival of satellite, dish and other means of TV access such as Aereo are aiming a very sharp needle directly at the cable bubble, but for 30 years they have had it their way.

    Are you saying that the cable companies did not divide the country into areas within which people have access to only one cable provider?

    Whether intended or not (some chance), this has protected them from competition for 30 years.
     
  11. Tivo II Jack

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    It certainly was a lot different.

    Rich helped me use the old Instant Cake software to intall larger HDD's into my two series 2 Tivos and then years later to do the same with 2 series 3 units using a much better software I don't remember the name of right now.
     
  12. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    Correct. The cable companies did not do the dividing. It's completely illegal and they would risk a whole lot if they got caught doing it.

    But they didn't have to. Every local municipality did it for them. In order to get a franchise license, every local municipality insisted that a cable provider give perks and service to all residents of the municipality, whether a particular subsection was profitable or not. Each municipality demanded so much from a franchisee (all for the benefit of the municipality) that it wouldn't be worth it for a second franchisee coming in. The cable companies went along with the demands because they knew that they would in effect be getting a monopoly.
     
  13. Tivo II Jack

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    NYC is a 'local municipality', a pretty huge one of course, but this entire city was divided into pretty small neighborhoods. Two or three of these divisions might exist within a single zip code.
     
  14. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    NYC never made the "wire everybody" demand, so the first places wired were either the easy ones (private homes in the outer boroughs) or high return (big buildings in Manhattan). Smaller buildings in Manhattan and apartment buildings in the outer boroughs were wired MUCH later. For years, Manhattan Cable (later acquired by Time Warner Cable) was a virtual monopoly. These days some neighborhoods have two options for cable (TWC or RCN), and you see a few satellite dishes here and there. But there are still small apartment buildings in NYC that have never been wired.
     
  15. Tivo II Jack

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    I believe Manhattan Cable first became available in the 1960's while the outer borough's had no cable at all until the mid 1980's. The tall buildings in Manhattan played havoc with TV signals and that became even worse with color TV.

    There was a time when movie theaters saw cable TV as a serious threat to their industry and people exiting movies were asked to sign petitions to "STOP PAY TV!" This was presented to people as if they were going to have to begin paying to watch the exact same TV shows they had always watched for free. EVERYONE signed those petitions and that was a big part of slowing the arrival of cable TV in NYC's outer boroughs and probably elsewhere.

    I don't know of anywhere in Brooklyn that has not been wired for cable today
     
  16. Tivo II Jack

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    And then it happened. Not sure if this is the double NAT you mentioned, but all day today my internet has been running on 2 speeds, EXTREMELY sluggish and dead stop.

    I called Netgear and they suggested removing the Linksys router altogether. That would mean connecting only my computer and Ooma phone to the 2 available ethernet ports leaving everything else to connect wirelessly using the Netgear as my modem and router.

    I doubt that would be a good solution where Tivo is concerned.
     
  17. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Easiest solution is just pick up an Ethernet switch, plug it into one port on the router, and the Ooma into the other. Then plug everything else into the switch (they mostly come in 5, 8 and 16 port versions for home use...pick whatever size you need).
     
  18. Tivo II Jack

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    Great minds???? My Netgear 8 port switch will be delivered tomorrow. I will retire the Linksys router, use the Netgear modem/router I just bought and plug everything including the Ooma into the switch.
     
  19. Tivo II Jack

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    New switch is in place and all seems just fine.
     

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