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Mini's sleep mode

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by NSPhillips, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    Preventing a timeout from ever happening means that each Mini will need a tuner ALWAYS (tuner never available for another Mini or for recording). Maybe it should be an option but I think the timeout is understandable for the current configuration they are offering.
     
  2. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    It should be an option but is home network use for the Mini 24/7 that had TiVo put in the 90 minutes sleep mode, how many people would go to the trouble of putting the Mini in sleep mode before they left the room.
     
  3. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    I think we are saying the same thing. The reason there is a "timeout" mode is because people very often walk away from a TV without ever exiting out of live TV viewing.

    In the case of the Mini this would result in a tuner being more or less permanently hijacked by the Mini unless it was being used to watch a recording.

    The timeout might be frustrating to some users, but it serves an important function, freeing up a tuner after a certain period of time for use by other Minis... or, eventually for recording (when dynamic tuner allocation is delivered).

    I agree that TiVo should make it a user selectable duration, but the problem with a "never timeout" option is that people will set this, then not understanding what it actually does, complain when they don't have free tuners for other Minis in the home, or to do recordings.
     
  4. lessd

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    I don't have two Minis but I though with 2 Minis I had to give up two tuners on my TP-4, each Mini is locked to a TP-4 tuner, that tuner can't be used for anything but the Mini locked to it. Dynamic tuner allocation has nothing to do with this time out, when we get dynamic tuner allocation, what will happen is the same thing that happens now on any TiVo that is on Live TV and that channel is needed for an upcoming recording, you get a warning that the channel will change and if you want you could say no and the program will not record, I assume the same thing will happen with the Mini.
     
  5. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    No, that's not the way it works. On 4 tuner unit you specify how many tuners you want to allocate for live TV viewing on Minis. If you only set it to 1 and you have 2 Minis then 1st come, 1st served basis only 1 Mini can do live TV at a time. I fully expect if/when dynamic tuning is available that this timeout will still be in place, though still would be better with option to change timeout and turn it off if desired.
     
  6. jmpage2

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    What you say is correct if you have assigned enough tuners to cover all of your Minis.

    What happens if you have more Minis than you have tuners allocated? Now you have trouble.

    It could be solved if TiVo implemented the ability to "hijack" another Mini. You go to watch Live TV and are asked if you want to rob a tuner from another Mini, and then that Mini gets a warning that you took the tuner.

    Could result in some rather interesting family fights, at least until they put some kind of rights management system in there.
     
  7. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I have one Mini now and one tuner on one TP-4 locked off for that Mini, are you saying if I got another Mini I could also lock the new Mini to the same TP-4 tuner, for me that does not compute because if someone stops watching Mini #1 and 20 minutes later someone goes to Mini #2 they would have to wait another 70 minutes for Live TV to work, or go back to Mini #1 and manual put it to sleep, I don't have a 2nd Mini but I would surprised if that the way TiVo has 2 Minis work in your home.
     
  8. jmpage2

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    It might not compute, but if you have two Minis (and are sharing one tuner) that is EXACTLY how it works today. If Mini #1 is watching Live TV, and you walk away, Mini #2 can't watch Live TV until Mini #1 times out (or someone walks up to it and puts it back in the TiVo menu)... which is why they have
    the time-out interaction in the first place.

    A better option would be to allow "force takeover" of a tuner... but in larger households that might have several TiVos this could become problematic because you could take over a tuner that someone is actually watching.
     
  9. Loach

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    That's how I have mine set up. 1 tuner allocated for live TV among 2 Minis. And no I don't have to wait 70 minutes for live TV to work. It releases the tuner if you hit the Tivo button because you have exited live TV.

    So say I'm watching live TV on the Mini in the family room. I decide to go to bed so I hit the Tivo button and turn everything off and go upstairs (actually the "off" button macro on my URC does all that for me). I go upstairs and turn the bedroom TV on with Mini #2 and I'm immediately able to watch live TV.

    There are never any conflicts in my house because nobody is ever watching live TV in the family room and bedroom at the same time. If anyone is watching live TV while I'm in bed, it's the teenagers watching the P4 in the basement rec room.
     
  10. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I always hit the TiVo button when I finish watching a Mini. As long as you do that there will be no issues when going to another Mini to watch something.
     
  11. lessd

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    But your careful to turn off the family room Mini before going to the bedroom, my wife would never remember to do that, I am lucky if she turns off the TV when she leaves the room. Not having two Minis I concede the point about two Mini sharing one tuner, good information to have.
     
  12. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    How do you turn off the Mini?
     
  13. slowbiscuit

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    Classic case of Tivo knowing yet again what is best for the user with no option to change the behavior. Regardless of who agrees that the timer should be there or not, the user should be given options. It's not that difficult but apparently not the Tivo Way, just like the silliness of always defaulting to live TV instead of having a screensaver option on main boxes.
     
  14. Loach

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    I don't have to really be careful about it because my universal remote macro takes care of it for me. But I will grant you that at least until dynamic tuner allocation is implemented, the Mini isn't an elegant solution for every situation.

    I have a 4th TV in my office that I will eventually want to add to my whole home system. At certain times I do have that TV and the family room TV on live TV at the same time. So in order to do that I would have to dedicate 2 tuners for Minis. Don't really need to decide until football season :)
     
  15. lessd

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    Just stop Live TV, hit the TiVo button, turns off Live TV, after 90 minutes the Mini will go to sleep.
     
  16. sarahanne

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    The time out feature is a nice feature to have when you're going to sleep by it and want to save energy. I totally get that...

    But what about people who are mentally disabled and can't click on the remote every 90 minutes to keep it active?
    During night time, what if you're a night owl and stay up until the wee hours of the night and don't want to have to keep hitting the freaking remote every 90 minutes?

    TiVo needs to have a setting for you to choose the length of time or completely disable it all together.

    This is ridiculous.
     
  17. jmpage2

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    I think ridiculous is a strong word. While I agree that TiVo should offer some adjustment of this value it could be problematic for TiVo to prevent the timeout completely as that would permanently sacrifice a tuner for each mini set this way. Most customers don't understand these things.

    Additionally, most users, while watching a TiVo device do not watch a single station for hour upon hour. Most will change the channel, pause live tv or skip a commercial every 90 minutes.

    So ya, "ridiculous" is rather strong.
     
  18. Arcady

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    The TiVo sees when you press TV buttons on your remote. Why doesn't it just keep the stream going until it sees that you have pressed the TV power button? I think the TiVo can safely assume that if you turn off the TV, then you don't need an active stream.

    At least make this an option.
     
  19. jmpage2

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    That sounds easy but it's not. For the TiVo to know the state of power of your TV it has to first learn whether it is on or off, then it needs to know the IR code of your tv. Sometimes you might press the TV power button and the TV doesn't turn on, so you press it a second time, the TiVo might now think the TV is off when you just turned it on. Sometimes you turn it on to do something other than use the TiVo like play a video game. Something with programmatic context driven help like a harmony has a hard time keeping tabs on what the power state of devices look like, would be very difficult for TiVo to do it. Better to offer a longer timer, but people will complain regardless.
     
  20. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I think Crispy gave the best answer to this idea in another thread - discussing a concern that the mini keeps the connection too long...

    Without a reliable HDMI handshake option - timeout is the best solution AFAIAC.

    Funny, i haven't bounced against this issue yet... But don't fall asleep in front of the TV.
     

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