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Mini's sleep mode

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by NSPhillips, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    Now that I got my Mini fully working I have tested out the sleep mode, and I have good news, as the Mini will not go to sleep if watching Live TV or a recorded show, it only goes to sleep if left in the menu for 90 minutes, so when dynamic tuner software comes along one would just leave the Mini in the menu and the system could take over the extra tuner. A normal TiVo left in the menu will default back to live TV.
     
  2. Loach

    Loach New Member

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    I had my Mini on live TV watching hoops yesterday and it timed out. I don't know whether it was technically in "sleep mode" but it absolutely timed out and went to a screen saver-type warning message.
     
  3. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I will try it again, but I turned on the TV by its own power button so I would not use the TiVo remote to turn on the TV as a rest, as the Mini may respond to any IR signal in some way.
     
  4. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Live TV does time out after 90 minutes of no interaction with remote by design. One of the main purposes to time out is so as not to needlessly be streaming when nobody is watching.
     
  5. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I have not tested Live TV a 2nd time, but the Mini does not time out when watching a recording, I set it up on a 3 hour game and left the room, no remote action, came back in 2 1/2 hours later and the Mini was still streaming that program.
     
  6. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    And that's a good thing. I can't say I've ever confirmed that though, since I never watch anything without touching the remote either to skip commercials or to skip back 8 seconds to catch something I missed, or to turn on/off captions, etc. So even if it did time out for recorded shows it wouldn't be a big deal to me, but it makes more sense if it does not. I did have a tuner dedicated to the Mini initially and left it on live TV several times intentionally to make sure it did time out, which it did.

    Timing out live TV is what matters. I don't have a tuner dedicated to the Mini anymore, but if I did I would want a timeout to screensaver mode as is the case now since I would not want live TV streaming unnecessarily with nobody watching.
     
  7. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I recheck and the Mini did time out after 4 hours (I don't know when it went to sleep in that 4 hour time), but the TV was off, I am going to try leaving the TV on and check in about 90 minutes.
     
  8. aaronwt

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    I see that it times out quickly after watching a recorded show. I've come back a short time after watching a show and it's on the screen saver or whatever it's called. Personally I would rather have a static screen instead of something moving around. It's been eight years since I've had an HDTV that can get burn in.
     
  9. lessd

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    The Mini does time out on Live TV, TiVo should fix this as some people may want to use the Mini in the bedroom and getting up every 90 minutes would be a bummer, also some people like to have the TV on in the Kitchen when working and not have it go off every 90 minutes.
    IMHO

    TiVo should fix this time out problem!!! or as TiVo may call it "a good feature"
     
  10. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    A configurable setting is what is really needed to please everyone as already discussed, including option for no timeout.
     
  11. Loach

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    +1. Many times I have live sports on while I'm doing other things. I'm more "monitoring" as opposed to "watching". This is when I've experienced the timeout and it is annoying.
     
  12. Loach

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    Last night I had live TV on while reading the paper. After 90 minutes, a message popped up that said:

    "Are you still there? Press OK to continue viewing."

    I pressed OK and it continued live TV. Not sure how long the message would have stayed on the screen as I noticed it immediately and cleared it.
     
  13. lessd

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    I have called TiVo about this and it would help if others also called TiVo about this 90 minutes sleep time out, the only reason I think TiVo did this is to stop using network resources if nobody is watching, it should be user controlled, on/off or set up your own time. A good place to use the Mini would be the bedroom for people who want to sleep with the TV on, can't use the Mini for that. I don't think future dynamic tuner control has anything to do with the time out, as a normal TiVo just gives you a message that a recording is going to start, the default is for the recording to start and the channel will change, or you can take some action to stop the recording, I think the Mini will work like that when this option is, or ever ready.

    So please call TiVo
     
  14. jmpage2

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    The reason that they did it is that if you leave a TiVo Mini on watching Live TV as many of you are describing it will tie that tuner up indefinitely without a timeout.

    Which means that if someone wants to watch Live TV from another Mini they will have to go to the Mini in question (hours or days later potentially) and put it back in the TiVo menu in order to release the tuner.

    I suspect that the 90 minute timeout is also there to lay the groundwork for dynamic tuner allocation. How exactly can the main TiVo know that a tuner is available to record if all of the Minis are tuned to Live TV and no human is there watching them?

    While the timeout might be annoying and should be configurable it is actually pretty clear why it is there.

    There will never be an option for "never time out".
     
  15. mahohmei

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    There's a very simple solution to this, but it would require a hardware change to the TiVo mini:

    Bundle with the TiVo mini a current-sensing ring; this would be a ring that snaps around the TV's AC power cord and would have a 1/8", two-conductor plug that would plug into the TiVo mini. It could detect if the TV is powered on or off--if the TV is on, the stream keeps going. If the TV is turned off, the stream is stopped to conserve network bandwidth and power.

    Almost all of us here have two current-sensing rings at home: one on each phase in the electric meter.
     
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    That's actually an excellent solution.... however I can see why TiVo won't do it. The last thing they want to do is provide tech support for people installing these (as simple as it is people will hose it up)... or God forbid, suing TiVo for damages when they manage to damage the cord on their TiVo or manage to electrocute themselves.
     
  17. moyekj

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    What if TV is being used for another device on a different input and/or you are going through an AMP? There's too many configurations that will violate basic assumptions for any such solution. I say empower the user to set the timeout option as desired - a simple and software only solution.
     
  18. mahohmei

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    True, I'd want the timeout to be a user-adjustable solution. I just had the theory that it would be cool for there to be a dry-contact input that could be used to tell the TiVo mini, if the user so desires, "If this contact is open, don't stream". The user could then use any sort of circuit logic, such as closing the contact when the TV or AVR are powered on.
     
  19. todd_j_derr

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    You could just use a "smart" power strip to kill power to the mini when the TV was off... but unfortunately I think the boot time is too long to make that practical.
     
  20. grawdon

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    I think the timeout is a terrible idea. As others have said, sometimes you just want the TV on for background. Or maybe to keep a child or pet company. Having to go to the remote every 90 minutes is silly. This should be an option, not mandatory. I called TiVo and they told me it wouldn't be changed. Period. No discussion.

    I'm thinking of returning mine as I am in the 30 day return period.
     

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