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Mini Networking issues.

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by MScottC, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. Scooby Doo

    Scooby Doo New Member

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    WMHJR: You are clearly very certain of your own expertise and dismissive of others who are trying to be helpful. So you are unlikely to find help for your problems in these forums. Or perhaps you are just here to vent, which is fine, but be aware that at some point it just becomes self-indulgent and dull.
     
  2. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    I'm just being accurate. It's not dismissive - it's a dislike for inaccurate information. Inaccurate information leads to assumptions about root causes. More critically, it allows Tivo to blame others for failed technologies. Tivo should be held publicly responsible for defects rather than simply accepting product defects and blaming them on vague but unsubstantiated other causes.
     
  3. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    OK, that would work. Not sure why you'd want to do that, but it would work - so long as you constructed the vlans such that you're bridging all the separate networks.

    For non-enterprise, GB is typically way overkill. Curious as to what you were doing that required GB network segments. To be honest, it's only relatively recently that GB was even a mainstay in enterprise network datacenters. I say recently only in terms of comparison to when consumer grade GB switches became available. Also, keeping in mind that full duplex speeds from your gateway will be certainly a small fraction of a GB port speed.
     
  4. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    In 2001 I got a couple of HiPix cards for recording OTA HD content. At the time I could not find an antenna that gave me reception in my condo so I had one pc setup at my GFs house to record a bunch of HD shows every week. I had a removable drive bay and would swap out an 80GB drive each week with 30 to 50 GB of shows. So when I brought it home I would transfer it to a PC I used to store the content for network access for playback later. At first I only had 100BT cards and it took forever to transfer the content each week. That was the only reason I set up a gigabit network. So I I could transfer that content much faster to the PC I used for network storage.
     
  5. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    Ah, got it. I can understand. OTA is uncompressed with pretty darned high bit rates. I can imagine individual file sizes would be pretty large - much larger than the compressed MPEG2/MPEG4 stuff we get from Fios - and even more so from other providers such as Comcast, etc.
     
  6. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    Anyone who rips blu-ray disks has (or needs) a gigabit network as the file size for a single BD movie can easily be 30+ GB and transfering over 100Mb takes an eternity.

    Similarly things like Time Machine (or other network backup solutions) go much faster with gigabit.

    Gigabit costs a few bucks more these days over 100 megabit. I actually don't see why anyone does NOT get gigabit home network gear... even if they don't need it now, it's entirely possible they will down the road. I have a basement full of older slower hubs and switches because my uses have outgrown them.
     
  7. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    I agree that if you're buying new equipment, no reason not to get Gig-E. However, for most people if you don't already have it, it is massive overkill at the moment. Lots of people burning BR disks aren't doing any of the work over the network, so the Gig network is a non-issue. If you're using an internal backup (meaning internal on your network) then I suppose Gig can help if you're always doing full backups. If you're doing incrementals, it's a non-issue. While I've had Gig for quite a while, honestly there has been no real reason other than I wanted to upgrade my switch for other reasons (port density). From a performance perspective, it has not made any difference but I'm not ripping disks, etc.

    That being said, to stay at least a little on topic, since I've duplicated these issues using a number of switches, including old 8 port 10/100 switches with no "green" capability, I think we can safely say that either Gig-E or green switches are NOT the root cause. Each case I've duplicated this ALL Tivos have been behind the exact same switch at that time. Meaning, all of them on an 8 port Linksys 10/100 (fail). All of them behind Cisco 24 port Gig (fail). etc.
     
  8. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    Sorry, but all we can conclude is that YOUR problems are not caused green switches. Your problems have existed for a year; almost everybody else's problems have started in the past 3 weeks. You haven't produced any evidence that your problem is caused by the same thing as everybody else, and the timing strongly suggests that the cause is different. What you report here is just further evidence that YOUR problem is different, since many people report that swapping switches has made a difference for them.
     
  9. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    Actually, strongly disagree. Here is why.

    1) My TIVO NETWORK issues (which include Mini and Premiere) have existed for more than a year. Obviously, I did not HAVE minis for more than a year.

    2) The statement that "almost everybody else's problems have started in the past 3 weeks" is also false.

    3) Because "some" people report success with green switches, "some" people report issues with them, "some" people report success with older (non-green) switches, and "some" people report issues with older (non-green) switches. Again, your statement is false.

    The common issue here is that at least starting with the Premiere line, Tivo has been less than stellar in terms of network compatibility and reliability. And that further, it is very unlikely that the ROOT CAUSE of this issue is green switches. You simply cannot pick and choose the people experiencing issues to determine what root cause is. Perhaps an FMEA would be enlightening, no?
     

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