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Mini is useless - V87 errors

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by mm2margaret, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. eric102

    eric102 Member

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    If you only need to go through a couple of studs/joists then one of those long semi flexible drill bits will work, if more than that then start cutting holes in the sheet rock every 4-5 feet or so to use the bit. My phone jacks were all Cat5 so the conversion to Ethernet was easy, just had to buy the test equipment, a couple tools and the jacks.
     
  2. Ieolus

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    Have you tried without the POE filter or reversing it? I read somewhere on these forums that installing it the wrong way hoses MOCA.
     
  3. lessd

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    As I said above you don't need a POE filter when you first set up your MoCA system, don't even think of using a POE filter until you MoCA network system is working, the odds that someone is just waiting to get on your MoCA network is ridiculous, after all is working then you can put the POE filter on if it will make you feel better.
     
  4. dswallow

    dswallow Save the ModeratŠ¾r TCF Club

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    There's nothing directional about a POE filter.
     
  5. Grakthis

    Grakthis New Member

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    Yeah, that's what I was planning on doing but my main thing was researching the regulations on drilling holes in joists. I honestly am not sure if there's a point where you've drilled too many holes and now you're hurt the integrity of the wall.

    But I am definitely getting one of those flexible drill bits.
     
  6. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    One small hole for an cat cable will not be the straw that broke the camel's back in any stud, I have built many homes (years ago) and only the TGI studs/beams have any standards on holes and the holes you can make in TGI are already pre-marked.
    Also make sure you don't drill into any pipes on the other side of a stud your drilling a hole in.
     
  7. eric102

    eric102 Member

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    Yep, in can be interesting at times, water pipes, wires, heat ducts, central vacuum pipes and even fiberglass insulation can be a problem when it wraps up in a ball around the bit. Have fun!
     
  8. Ieolus

    Ieolus New Member

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    Just relaying something I read. I don't use a POE filter myself on my MOCA network.
     
  9. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    People should not use the POE filter until their MoCA system is fully working without problems, the chance of a MoCA hack is almost nonexistent as MoCA networks are so new compared to say WiFi.
     
  10. dswallow

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    That's not completely true as two devices each trying to be the ones creating a MOCA network at any given frequency are not compatible and might result in strange behaviors if such contention occurs intermittently... barely enough signal for your devices to see it sometimes, etc.

    It's a lot less likely to be a problem the further away (in coax cable measurement) from any possible other cable subscriber, simply because of losses per foot over coax essentially accomplishing the same thing a POE filter accomplishes.
     
  11. Grakthis

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    That's good advice. Thanks for the info!
     
  12. lessd

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    Yes, but what are the odds of one of your neighbors also having a MoCA setup and also not using a POE filter, and be close enough to you to cause interference? I think that is very low possibility at this time as MoCA is too new. When smart TVs and routers start having built in MoCA the problem may get greater, as of now WiFi is the new built in adapter addition to electronics. (last few years)
     
  13. dianebrat

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    Not necessarily so,
    We did a MoCA install at my Dad's house and I hadn't yet gotten the POE, there was a call to him from Comcast within a few days, a neighbor was having issues, the POE resolved them.
     
  14. lessd

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    So the neighbor was not using a POE filter ?? or was and still having issues that your Dads POE filter fixed. :confused:
    Why did Comcast come to your Dads home?, is Comcast now looking for a MoCA signal on their outside cable ??.
    Hard to believe the MoCA signal would survive going outside your Dads home through the cable drop/tap at the poll than back into your Dads neighbor tap with power enough to interfere with the signal at the neighbors home. Maybe this MoCA signal is more pervasive than I thought.
     
  15. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Neighbor apparently had issues and called Comcast support, I don't know if they had MoCA or not, I just know they called Comcast, the tech came out, reviewed, then tracked down my dad and said "hey, we're getting data leakage from you, you need to fix that" at that time Dad called me, I let him know we need a POE, and that satisfied the tech, I then installed it a few days later.

    FWIW Dad is in a very VERY high tech neighborhood, house in front of him has one of the original Android peeps in it.
     
  16. mm2margaret

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    Well, at least for me!

    And it wasn't cheap, but I bought the latest, most expensive powerline adapters (Linksys AV2), and hooked up the Mini to Roamio via a switch.

    And, it works. I thought after all the stuff I stirred up, I thought I should at least tell you all what finally solved my problem.

    Not really happy that the Moca didn't work, but at least something is working...
     
  17. marklyn

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    Either way, glad you have a solution, maybe not your preferred one, but a solution. I'm happy for you.
     
  18. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Amusingly enough I'm the local PNA evangelist, and this was one of the rare threads I didn't mention them in :)
     
  19. mm2margaret

    mm2margaret Meagan

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    Well, I'm not really happy about it. I feel Tivo got me again.....but at least I have the option of using the Premiere I bought, and dump the Mini, or keep the Mini. That's something, I suppose.

    I should have known.....I really wish I hadn't bought the Mini. It just wasn't worth the trouble.
     
  20. CloudAtlas

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    TiVo over MoCA rules. You just can't get any easier than unhooking the coax from a cable box and screwing it into the Mini and setting networking to MoCA. Of course it helps when your provider is FiOS and all your coax is fairly new commercial grade. Knew nothing about MoCA until being told how simple setting up Mini's would be on FiOS. So I replaced 5 cable boxes at my folks house with 4 Minis and a Roamio Plus.

    Worked so well I setup MoCA in my apt btwn my RCN TiVo Q and my Premiere. Since the Premiere doesn't support MoCA I used an Actiontec Coax Network Adapter 3500T and a splitter. TiVo uses one Gigabit Ethernet port leaving three free for the TV and Roku.
     

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