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Mini and tuner allocation

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by Riverdome, Mar 9, 2013.

  1. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    How many Minis can one Premiere 4 support? I've heard 3, but TiVo's website suggests that it could support the full 9 now, albeit without dynamic tuner allocation.
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    You can only allocate 2 tuners to live TV and the maximum number of out going streams a single TiVo supports is 3. So based on that you could never use more then 3 Minis with the same host concurrently. And never use more then 2 to watch live TV.

    That being said I think the maximum number of Minis you can physically have registered on one accunt is 9, so that's the most you could ever actually have in one household.
     
  3. Bigg

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    The impression I got before was that you could only ever have 3 paired to one Premiere4, so you can actually have 9 Minis paired to a single Premiere4, and you can use 3 at once?
     
  4. Loach

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    DigitalDawn (the member who broke the news about the launch in the Tivo Mini Lives thread) originally indicated that each 4-tuner Premiere would initially only support 2 Minis. But you are right - I can't find anything on Tivo's support pages that confirms that. All I see is this statement:

    "A maximum of 10 TiVo devices per account, including TiVo Mini, can share programming."

    That sort of implies the full 9 could be supported.
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I don't know for sure. It depends on how the Mini pairs to the host. If it's like another TiVo and just calls up it's My Shows via RPC as needed, then the only limit should be the account limit which is a max of 10 devices per account. (i.e. TiVo + 9 Minis) However if it actually does some special pairing with the host then there could be some imposed limit I'm not aware of.

    Although based on what's been said I don't think it does any special pairing at the host side. It seems to dynamically poll the host for a free tuner when watching live TV, which is how two Minis can share a host with only 1 tuner allocated to live TV. And the UI is really no different then what can also be done via the iPad app and there is no limitation to that.

    The only hard limitations are the 10 device per account limit and the max 3 network streams limit on the TiVo.
     
  6. Bigg

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    Yeah, that's what I was thinking. This will make it a lot more interesting for households with only a few people but a lot of TVs...
     
  7. Ruby

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    Can anyone verify this from TiVo Support:

    Tuner allocation troubleshooting

    TiVo Mini requires the use of a dedicated tuner on your host DVR to stream Live TV. The host DVR allocates up to two tuners to TiVo Mini and other networked devices on a first-come, first-served basis. If other devices are currently using all available tuners dedicated for Live TV streaming, you will need to release a tuner for TiVo Mini to use.

    Releasing a tuner for other TiVo devices

    Once you access the host DVR's tuner from TiVo Mini, that tuner is not available for other network devices. When you are done using the Mini and want to release the host tuner to other network devices (e.g., another TiVo Mini, TiVo Stream), press the TiVo button to return to TiVo Central and release the tuner.

    Unless you actively release the tuner, it remains locked by TiVo Mini for an hour and a half. If there is no remote activity on TiVo Mini during this time, it is automatically released.

    Is that TiVo Central on the Mini? Does it really release the tuner onits own?

    Thanks.
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Both are true.

    So if you have multiple Minis but never plan on using more then one for live TV at a given time then you can dedicate just one tuner to live TV, keeping 3 for the host, and share that one tuner amongst all your Minis on a first come first serve basis.
     
  9. Ruby

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    Thanks, Dan.

    Reading your response made me realize the tuner sharing is among networked devices not the host DVR as I wished. So, that one tuner, for example, remains lost to the host.

    Too bad.
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yes. Until they get dynamic tuner allocation working you have to permanently allocate a tuner to network devices if you want to be able to watch live TV. If you don't care about live TV you can just turn that feature off and give all the tuners back to the host. Someone else even mentioned a work around where you turn off live TV and instead use the guide on the Mini to start a recording and then start streaming the recording instead. Not quite as convenient as real live TV, but a decent work around if you don't watch much live TV and don't want to permanently sacrifice a tuner for it.
     
  11. Ruby

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    Thanks, I was aware of that workaround and I have a Tivo Stream that works that way. I was hoping this was another option while waiting for dynamic allocation.

    Still deciding whether to take the plunge.
     
  12. Ruby

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    Dan,

    FYI, I just installed a Mini without LiveTV. It's only been a few minutes but I'm satisfied.
     
  13. bdraw

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    The work around is great as long as you don't like to channel surf, and what TiVo user does?
     
  14. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    A lot more then you'd think. I think TiVo had a stat that said more then 50% of their users still regularly watch live TV. I just want to tell them all... "You're doing that wrong". :)
     
  15. jmpage2

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    My wife likes to watch live TV all the time, so if the Mini couldn't pull a tuner it would be a deal breaker in my household. I on the other hand only watch news live, everything else I watch recorded.
     
  16. Bigg

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    Live news. Maybe live sports, although if you're really watching them, you'd be on the main TV with surround sound, a screen the size of Texas, and a Premiere.
     
  17. CoxInPHX

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    Since it seems the 2 tuner Premieres may never be able to act as a host DVR for the Mini, does that also mean that when dynamic tuner allocation is released that the 2 tuners will also not be in the available pool of tuners for the Mini?

    For those with multiple Premieres it would seem logical to put all available tuners onto the network for Live TV.

    Is having all tuners on the network possible on the current Premiere hardware? not just those of the Host DVR.

    In my case I would rather pull a Live TV tuner from one of my regular Premieres, than use one off the Elite/XL4. The same would apply for someone using OTA on a 2 tuner.
     
  18. sbiller

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    I believe the answer is yes, the base Premiere tuners will not be in the available pool of tuners for the Mini. Thinking about DTA some more, I'm wondering if DTA will be sophisticated enough to know that there are multiple host-DVRs available on the network or if a user would still be required to assign a host-DVR to the Mini. I suspect the latter but hope for the former.
     
  19. overFEDEXed

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    I have three Two-tuner Premiere's, just sitting in their boxes, new. I picked them up cheap and thought about selling them. If this is true, oh well.

    Maybe these units will be eligible for the $150 or $99 Lifetime soon, or at least the $6.95 plan. Tivo did let me do one transfer of the $6.95 plan, from an HD to a Premiere. At least they still have OTA, built-in.
     
  20. Bigg

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    I don't think there are plans to ever have cross-DVR DTA, it's only within one DVR, and a Mini will always be paired to that DVR only. It can stream content from other Premieres, but not live TV.
     

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