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Mad Men S05E10 "Christmas Waltz" 5/20/2012

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by mwhip, May 21, 2012.

  1. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    I just went back and re-watched that scene, and Don and Joan are sitting at the bar, and then the bar makes a right angle and the guy is sitting a little ways down on that other side that's perpendicular to them. If they're facing forward in their chairs, that guy is at about 10 or 11 o'clock, not 7:30.

    Maybe you're thinking of a different system of describing position by the numbers on a clock. The one I'm familiar with is 12 o'clock is straight in front of you, 6 o'clock is straight behind you. 9 o'clock is directly to your left, 3 o'clock is directly to your right. So 7:30 would be behind you to your left. That's not where the guy was sitting.
  2. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista

    Nov 22, 2008
    Boring Ohio
    Oh I dunno. I guess I'm picturing a clock in your vision and imagining where the guy would be by that. I have no experience with this as I never use the terms. I just say "hot guy at the bar" and if you can't figure it out, ya must not think he's that hot.
  3. avery

    avery New Member

    May 29, 2006
    New York
    In 1966, adultery was the only ground offered by NYS. So that was the sole option available to Greg. (New York didn't have no-fault divorce until 2010) He's either guessing, assuming, willing to perjure himself or actually put the pieces of Kevin's paternity together. Probably not good for Joan. :(
  4. stellie93

    stellie93 Active Member

    Feb 25, 2006
    I don't remember, did they have accurate paternity tests back then? I know it's possible that blood types will tell you, but other than that?
  5. Robin

    Robin Nasty Woman TCF Club

    Dec 6, 2001
    NPR news will never be the same.
  6. Bob Coxner

    Bob Coxner Active Member

    Dec 1, 2004
    That's what I thought too but some research showed that NY divorce law changed significantly in 1966. Additional grounds were added:

    Cruel and inhuman treatment (Domestic Relations Law §170.1)
    Abandonment for a continuous period of one year or more (DRL §170.2)
    Imprisonment for more than three years subsequent to the marriage (DRL §170.3)
    Adultery (DRL §170.4)
    Conversion of a separation judgment (DRL §170.5)
    Conversion of a written and acknowledged separation agreement after living separate and apart for more than one year (DRL §170.6)


    Cruel and inhuman included mental cruelty:

    "The legislature also selected "imprisonment" as a ground but instead of referring to felony conviction, or crimes involving moral turpitude, simply referred to the length of imprisonment. In the case of the new "cruel and inhuman treatment" ground, the legislature melded two different grounds for legal separation which had existed under the old law. It used a conjunctive "or" to indicate that either "physical" or "mental cruelty" could be the basis for "cruel and inhuman treatment." It was intended that conduct of the defendant which endangered the mental well being of the plaintiff so as to make it improper to continue cohabitation, as well as conduct endangering the physical well being that made it unsafe to continue cohabitation, should be a ground for divorce. "Adultery" as a divorce ground was redefined so as to include deviate sexual intercourse."

  7. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Active Member

    Oct 23, 2001
    I don't think so. To have really accurate paternity testing you need DNA testing and that wasn't available back then.

    A bit of research later...
    Bloodtyping or serological testing might be able to tell you that the baby wasn't the fathers, but it'd depend on the blood type and group of the husband and of the actual father. And even that would depend somewhat on the bloodtype of the child. But those tests could only exclude 20 or 30% of the male population from possibly being the father. (So you'd need a lot of luck to prove infidelity from those tests)

    It wasn't until the 1970s that you got significantly better tests (HLA Typing can exclude up to 80% of the male population)

    But it was the 1980's that first brought in DNA testing (exclude 99.99+% of the male population as the possible father).

    So in terms of the show, there's enough wiggle room that if the writers wanted to go down the blood testing path they could reasonably plausible have the test show Joan's husband couldn't be the father or be inconclusive. They could not however show that Roger definitively was the father.
  8. avery

    avery New Member

    May 29, 2006
    New York
    Yes. In 1966 the new legislation was passed but it didn't go into effect until 1967. Greg served her in '66.
  9. Bob Coxner

    Bob Coxner Active Member

    Dec 1, 2004
    We're in December 1966. I suppose he could amend his filing in a few days if necessary. :)
  10. tiams

    tiams New Member

    Apr 19, 2004
    I wonder why Don said "it's a pipe's dream" instead of "pipe dream".
  11. brianric

    brianric Active Member

    Aug 29, 2002
    Pennsville, NJ
    I am amazed at the low ratings for Mad Men, one of the best time piece show I have ever seen.
  12. tiams

    tiams New Member

    Apr 19, 2004
    This episode took place on my birthday- Pearl Harbor Day 1966.:p
  13. Mr. Soze

    Mr. Soze The Devil you know

    Nov 1, 2002
    La Cheeserie
    Me too. This is the first season we have watched on AMC, the rest streamed on Netflix in catch up mode.
    There must be some stats (maybe closely held by Netflix) of how many people are doing what we did.

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