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Mad Men 6/23/2013 "In Care Of"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Satchel, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. Jun 24, 2013 #41 of 102
    TampaThunder

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    There is only one way for this show to end and that's with Don jumping off a tall building and plummeting to the ground just like in the intro. And it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Without a doubt that character is one of the most self-destructive personalities of all time. Why anybody puts up with all his BS I have no idea. They should have shown him the door last season.
     
  2. Jun 24, 2013 #42 of 102
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Frankly, I hadn't even thought about Avon again until I read Alan's interview, but thinking about it, it makes sense.

    In the episode when that happened, Pete basically had Joan on the ropes until Peggy bailed her out. But Peggy only bought her time. If Joan hadn't been able to close the account, Pete would still be fuming about it, and Joan would not be in the partner's good graces. So I guess Weiner is saying that because Pete forgot about it and Joan still has her position, that things must have worked out for her.
     
  3. Jun 24, 2013 #43 of 102
    astrohip

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    Agree. Fantastic episode. Six years and 78 episodes brought to a head, in one incredible scene. Can't wait to see how next year ends it.

    Joni Mitchell wrote the song, Judy Collins sang it. Sadly, I'm old enough to remember when it was a hit.:eek:

    Matthew Weiner has said, in more than one interview, that it will not end with anyone jumping out a window like the credits.
     
  4. Jun 24, 2013 #44 of 102
    cherry ghost

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    Where Don Draper ends, D.B. Cooper begins
     
  5. Jun 25, 2013 #45 of 102
    getreal

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    Thunder stolen!
     
  6. Jun 25, 2013 #46 of 102
    gamndbndr

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    Except Hershey infamously did not enter the television advertising arena until the 1970's. It would have been a long haul for SC&P to maintain the account.
     
  7. Jun 25, 2013 #47 of 102
    sharkster

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    Yeah, but in the credits after the guy falls out the window you see him sitting in the chair with a drink and a cigarette. I would interpret the jumping out of the window as having some sort of figurative meaning.
     
  8. Jun 25, 2013 #48 of 102
    kaszeta

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    1970. And this episode is November 1968. Not implausible that one of the other firms they were meeting ended up being "the one".
     
  9. Jun 25, 2013 #49 of 102
    Steveknj

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    I thought that scene played out like it would in a Sorkin show (without the cadence). Sorkin always has those preachy speeches by his main characters. That's what I felt like. While it didn't seem so realistic that Don would have that meltdown, I do feel that the whole season was leading to something like that. Between Megan's independence, to his on and off again affair, to the issues with his kids, the stress with the partnership, and his drinking, they were certainly leading to Don having a meltdown. I just didn't expect that to be it. Then again, that did seem kind of "Don".

    I am thinking, that by the end of next season, Bob is going to try and "play" all the key members of the firm. He's already played Pete, both with his mother and with the job, He's got Roger's secret, and he's trying to get in with Roger's relationship with Joan. Didn't he try and do something nice with Ted too? Maybe they are setting it up for Don to come in and save the day, but more likely, it's going to lead to something bad for the firm and Don.
     
  10. Jun 25, 2013 #50 of 102
    Steveknj

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    It was interesting that they chose Hershey for the meltdown (no pun intended). If I recall what I know about Milton Hershey, he was a VERY religious man, and he tried to build Hershey, PA into a company town in his own image, which was pretty much the antithesis of how Don grew up.
     
  11. Jun 25, 2013 #51 of 102
    Steveknj

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    My first thought was, that he took them to show them how privileged they were and how his life sucked and they should not fall into what he went through. It's especially true of Sally, who is going through life as a whiny spoiled brat who expects everything handed to her on a silver platter. But she is also realizing how screwed up everything is around her as she is getting older. So he wants to show her especially that life is not all she thinks it is, and also to explain why her dad is the person he is.
     
  12. Jun 25, 2013 #52 of 102
    Squeak

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    He does? Remind when he found that out?
     
  13. Jun 25, 2013 #53 of 102
    zalusky

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    I think it was implied there might have been a conversation by Roger's attention to the child. I am on the fence on this one.
     
  14. Jun 25, 2013 #54 of 102
    DevdogAZ

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    I think it would be fairly clear to Bob that Kevin is Roger's son based on the interaction between Joan and Roger, the fact that Roger was so protective of Joan, and probably because Joan told him.
     
  15. Jun 25, 2013 #55 of 102
    Squeak

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    Alright, in the MM world, I can see where that can now be assumed (especially since now I read that we were suppose to know the Avon deal was a success).

    I just wanted to make sure there wasn't something that was more obvious that I missed.

    Would I be wrong to assume now that if all three of them (Roger, Bob and Joan) know that each other knows, that there really isn't much powere that Bob would have over Roger? Would his life really be that impacted if everyone knew that Kevin was his kid? It might for Joan, but not for him.
     
  16. Jun 25, 2013 #56 of 102
    Mr. Soze

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    I think in the early years, Roger and Joan weren't that discreet, so it must have been known/office gossip they were having coitus. (Yes I have been watching a lot of TBBT lately). It's not well known that Kevin is Roger's. In MM Assumptionland, I guess people would have thought her ex was the father. Joan would be even more undermined at work if it was known, I'd think. That's why I suspect the Bob knowing bit is a portent for next season.
     
  17. Jun 25, 2013 #57 of 102
    Steveknj

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    Bob seems to be weaziling in on a lot of office secrets. There has to be more to the Bob story than we know already. Maybe it's just him being a junior Don Draper, but I think there really is something sinister about him, and I'd be surprised if it doesn't come out next season. I'd actually kind of be disappointed if it doesn't.

    Maybe the series ends with Bob narrating the story to his kids and they title the episode "How I took over the firm" :D
     
  18. Jun 25, 2013 #58 of 102
    milo99

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    i'm surprised how many people are blowing off this scene. Yours is the closest analysis/opinion to mine that i find compared to anybody else who posted about it.

    Hershey chocolate meant a LOT to Don. You could see it from the first time the others mentioned that Hershey was asking for pitches - Don lit up and said "i like Hersheys!". And we found out why - because it's the only time he ever felt like a normal kid, which was the only thing he wanted as a kid. Hershey's chocolate was IT for him.

    and sitting there in the conference room, after giving out his BS childhood story, he looks down at his shaking hand, remembering how much his life has spiraled out of control, and how he's losing all the "normal" he has, he felt obligated to confess, to tell Hershey's just what they meant to him. He was tired of the lies, of the hiding. He finally let out some truth - this wasn't him pretending, he finally let people know who he truly is and it was a load off.

    I thought that was the most powerful scene in the episode, heck in the season.
     
  19. Jun 25, 2013 #59 of 102
    Squeak

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    The problem I had with it was while it was going on, I had no idea if he was really telling the truth or not (since he is such a prolific liar).

    I still don't know how much of what he said was really what happened, and how much of it has been changed to fit the narrative he wants to believe about himself.
     
  20. Jun 25, 2013 #60 of 102
    spartanstew

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    That thunder was stolen years ago, as people have been talking about the opening credits being foreshadowing of don's ending since the first season.
     

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