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Mad Men 6/23/2013 "In Care Of"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Satchel, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. Jun 24, 2013 #21 of 102
    cheesesteak

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    The meltdown, Don's forced vacation... Some of the major points of this episode were very manipulative like Pete being goaded into trying to drive that Camaro when he can barely drive an automatic transmission. I expect that from an I Love Lucy episode, not Mad Men.
     
  2. Jun 24, 2013 #22 of 102
    sharkster

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    I, too, missed how Pete was ending up going to CA.

    Ted's quite the ***** - sees Peggy looking mega-hot, pursues and screws her, gives her promises, then immediately reneges. Yikes, what a dick.

    I wonder why Don was compelled to give the whorehouse story to the meeting with the Hershey folks. I mean, it rounded out well but I guess it was just a whole piece of his feeling vulnerable.

    Did they recognize alcoholism at that time? The shaking hand thing was no surprise. I'm sure WE all know he's an alcoholic, but during that time (I was still a kid- just turned 14 that Nov) I don't recall if it was something that was recognized.

    Not surprising that Sally would go bad. I also think I'm tired of the whole Megan thing. Don always figures out too late that he loves the girl. Poor Don. I know, he's a dick too but you can see so clearly, and IMO understand, why.
     
  3. Jun 24, 2013 #23 of 102
    TiVo'Brien

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    Yeah, these last two seasons haven't had the care and attention to the scripts that seasons 1 - 4 had. :(
     
  4. Jun 24, 2013 #24 of 102
    Zevida

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    Right - having someone in the office drive a riding lawnmower over (a) Guy's foot in order to keep the Americans in power and lead to their defection wasn't at all contrived, silly or "I Love Lucyesque".

    I love the absurdity they bring to the show at times.
     
  5. Jun 24, 2013 #25 of 102
    brianric

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    That one incident by itself wouldn't have triggered Don's forced leave of absence.

    According to Matthew Weiner, firing their most important client, forcing them into a merger and then waging war on his partner, and the destructive swath that he cut through the agency, killing the public offering and everything else, that cannot go without punishment. The Hershey’s meeting has little do with it.
    http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/matthew-weiner-discusses-the-mad-men-season-finale/?hp
     
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    zalusky

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    It's simple. Don has been telling lies for so long that he finally had the cathartic moment to tell the truth. His lies were making him alcoholic.
    To me the shaking of the hand was not his alcoholism but the guilt of all his lies. The Hershey story about his dad was just the straw and he couldn't do it any longer because he realized his lies were destroying his marriage, his family, as it showed at the end possibly his job.

    Your looking at it through the prism of a normal person versus somebody who is tired of it all. Frankly I have been waiting for the heart attack.
     
  8. Jun 24, 2013 #28 of 102
    sharkster

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    Well done! About the only part of that that I caught, up front, was that his lies were the cause of his alcoholism.

    I find that I have to watch the episode, come here to read what others have seen, read the Sepinwall blog, then the next week I watch it again. :) Getting old sucks! Stuff just doesn't sink in as well anymore.
     
  9. Jun 24, 2013 #29 of 102
    Satchel

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    From a Matthew Weiner interview this morning on HuffPo:

    And let’s face it, how good do you have to be to get away with the crap he pulled this year? He fired their biggest client [at that time, Jaguar], he forced them into a merger. He ruined their public offering and then, he went to war against their partner -- the Hershey meeting being a very minor infraction in all of this. So yeah, it’s pretty bad. I mean, Freddy came back and worse people come back from this thing; I'm not going to say that Don's not going to be back in the agency. But people should feel exactly what it is -- the partners have put their foot down and they don't want him in the office for a while.
     
  10. Jun 24, 2013 #30 of 102
    kaszeta

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    If this were the real world, SC&P would be fuming mad at Don Draper in a few years after seeing how huge a client Hershey would become.
     
  11. Jun 24, 2013 #31 of 102
    DeDondeEs

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    Yeah that's what I thought. Because Ted would be needed in the NY office and wouldn't be able to go to CA, they said previously that they couldn't have both Ted and Don gone. So will that tension remain between Ted and Peggy? And I don't remember seeing Ted at the partners meeting with Don, or was he there?

    One of my favorite lines was when Stan was all mad at Don because he stole the moving to CA idea and he said that he was going back to his desk to eat a sandwich before Don got to it.
     
  12. Jun 24, 2013 #32 of 102
    trainman

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    That "Chevrolet '69" sign had the apostrophe backward. Pete really did them a favor by backing into it.

    One of my favorite jingles of all time (ran incessantly during Saturday morning cartoons circa 1979-80):

     
  13. Jun 24, 2013 #33 of 102
    kaszeta

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    Yeah, I was thinking of that very ad during the show.
     
  14. Jun 24, 2013 #34 of 102
    cherry ghost

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    Ted is still going to CA and will oversee Peggy from there
     
  15. Jun 24, 2013 #35 of 102
    DevdogAZ

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    Not to mention the times he's MIA like in this (or was it last) episode when the Sheraton guys show up in the office and Don is nowhere to be found. The other partners were constantly covering for him and putting up with his crap, and his occasional (and increasingly rare) genius pitch just wasn't making up for it anymore.

    As Cherry Ghost noted, the partners said in the meeting that Ted was still going to CA, so I have no idea why Pete was saying he was going to CA as well.

    Regarding Don taking the kids to see the dilapidated whorehouse: I didn't really get the point of that. Sure, it looks like a run-down house now, but it was a fairly large house and back in the day it was probably pretty nice. So I don't see what he was trying to say with taking them there. Just seeing that house doesn't do anything to give insight into Don's screwed-up childhood. Unless we assume that along with taking them to see the house he also gave them his entire backstory.
     
  16. Jun 24, 2013 #36 of 102
    DevdogAZ

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    zalusky

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    Wiener has mentioned in interviews that he assumes the audience is smart and does not have to see things spelled out. So I would expect the point by Don introducing them to the house is that he will then off camera tell them the rest of the story (well some of it) off camera.

    We shall see next year.
     
  18. Jun 24, 2013 #38 of 102
    Zevida

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    [This is actually the Weiner interview.]

    Interesting that in the interview Weiner said that Joan succeeded with Avon and assumed that we would know that. I'm still not even completely clear what that means - they won the new business and she's the account man? If so, that would be such a pivotal moment for Joan they really short-changed her not showing any of that - the creative pitch, the win, etc.


     
  19. Jun 24, 2013 #39 of 102
    nyny523

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    I just watched this, and I haven't read any articles or interviews.

    I thought it was a fantastic episode.

    After all these seasons, we FINALLY met Dick Whitman. That story he told the Hershey's people revealed more about who he was and where he came from than anything we have seen or heard before. The juxtaposition to the pitch he gave just prior to telling the truth explained who he wanted Don Draper to be. I thought it was some of the most brilliant writing we have seen on this show. Five minutes of dialog pretty much summed up who this person was and who he wanted to be in a way we had never seen before.

    Of course, in typical Don Draper fashion, it was too little, too late. He destroyed everything he had tried to build. And he knew it - which is why he gave Ted California - I think he knew he he couldn't run away from who he was any more.

    There was SO much more to this episode - almost TOO much. I may have to watch it again - so much to digest. And Joni Mitchell in the closing was perfect...
     
  20. Jun 24, 2013 #40 of 102
    TiVo'Brien

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    Since Ted is in creative and Pete is an account man, it makes sense to me now that both would be going to CA. Sort of a miniature SC&P. (I wonder if Pete is going to take his .22 rifle with him and when will the inevitable accident come?)
     

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