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Mad Men 6/16 The Quality of Mercy

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by betts4, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    Te be clear on the South Park reference. In the early seasons of South Park, every episode a character named Kenny was killed in some odd way. And one of the other kids would say....Oh my God, they killed Kenny. And another would say You Bastard. It was a running gag. Kenny would be back the next episode, and boom, he'd be killed again! (eventually, they killed Kenny for a season or two, "permanently", and then brought him back. Every so often they revert to that gag).
     
  2. crowfan

    crowfan The Dude abides

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    That's exactly what he thought would happen when he exposed Don's secret, but it didn't work. He learned from that and is taking a different approach this time.

    You could basically replace "Bob" with "Don" in the above quote and you'd have the Pete/Don dynamic from season 1.
     
  3. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    Except Bob isn't Don. Bob doesn't have the cred with the firm yet. He's not a partner, or the head of a department. I guess the only thing he thought was that Bob has some cred with Chevy, and with Kenny being pulled, it would look bad for the firm to pull Kenny and Bob get canned. On the other side, it would look great for Pete to come in and save the day. Tricky mine field to go through I guess.

    The thing is, if Pete waits and springs this about Bob in 6 months say, wouldn't the other partners wonder why he waited?
     
  4. crowfan

    crowfan The Dude abides

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    Sure, it might have been different, but he's gotten more power now and I don't think he wants to risk it. I think he's going to use it to control Bob, not necessarily blow him up at a later date.
     
  5. Bob Coxner

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    The partners made it crystal clear to Pete that Bob was critical to the Chevy account. They even said they would replace Pete on the account if he couldn't work with Bob.

    Pete went to the partners with Don's secret and it was a disaster for him. He learned his lesson and won't repeat that mistake.
     
  6. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I get that, but does Bob = Don at the firm?
     
  7. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

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    In effect, yes. Not because Bob is as important to the firm as Don is overall, but because the partners told Pete firmly they would side with Bob over him re: Chevy. Same message Pete got about Don back when. Like Don then, Bob is doing good work and the client likes him, and that's all the partners care about.
     
  8. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    That's kind of what I'm thinking. That said, if Bob's secret got out, what would be the fallout with GM? I guess that's the big question. The difference to me, is at the time Pete found out about Don, Don was already friends with everyone in the firm, and certainly more respected in the firm than Pete. I'm not even sure that it would matter to Roger or Burt for example if Don was revealed for who he was. Bob, on the other hand, is new to the firm, nobody really know who he is or even where he came from. If GM found out the lie, from some other means than the firm, the firm is toast. That's a big risk to take. And Pete withholding that info would mean the end of him. I'm not sure if this is the right play. But I understand why Pete thinks so. He's not on sure footing with the firm, especially from the non Sterling Cooper part and he's insecure in the first place. Better not to rock the boat. Bob does not equal Don, but in Pete's eye, he might as well.
     
  9. cheerdude

    cheerdude Reed & Juliet's CPA

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    Maybe Bob = Don 20 years ago?

    Let me ponder this by eating some chicken soup...
    What would have been great was, in the commercial break after that scene, had a Swanson's commercial with Christiana Hendrick. :D
     
  10. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Active Member

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    Also didn't Bob say that Pete was the one who hired him? It was when Bob was telling Pete about how he'd swept into Bob's hiring interview. <Insert slightly star struck look here>

    If that's what the other partners believe, wouldn't it reflect badly on Pete that he only discovered Bob's amazingly flimsy bogus background now?
    That might be another incentive to use the info as blackmail, rather than exposing Bob in an attempt to get him fired.
     
  11. robojerk

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Don sort of got hired the same way as Bob?

    Sterling came to buy a coat and Don showed him some of ad work his work for the coat store, they went for drinks and Sterling got really drunk, the next day Sterling is walking into work and is surprised to see Don entering the building. Don says Sterling hired him the night before while drinking.Sterling doesn't say anything and they walk in together..... Of course we don't know the details, but I always thought it was fishy..
     
  12. vman41

    vman41 Omega Consumer

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    Don never claimed any credentials, just an interest in advertising.
     
  13. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Well, Dick Whitman claimed his name was Don Draper. That's a little bigger issue than simply embellishing your resume.

    And to be clear, Pete realized that he could be a jerk to Bob and Bob would leave the firm, but that wouldn't help the firm, nor would it help Pete. Pete realized that by allowing Bob to stick around and keeping his secret, Bob would continue to use his stellar talents for schmoozing to help the firm (that Pete is a partner of) and Pete would be able to wield some control over Bob because Bob will fear that his secret could get out.

    What Bob doesn't know, and we're not even sure if Don realizes this, is that nobody in this industry cares about your name or your background. They simply care what you can do for them. So when Pete brought the information about Don/Dick to Bert Cooper's attention, Bert realized that Don was an asset to the firm and told Pete to forget about it. Don remained terrified that people would find out, not knowing that people already had found out and had judged him valuable enough to overlook it. Bob will continue to live in fear that Pete will out him, but what Bob doesn't know, and what Pete does know, is that the info Pete has on Bob is meaningless. Bob's performance speaks for itself.
     
  14. cwoody222

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    I understood the scene where Pete decided to let Bob stay at the firm. I get that motivation.

    But I still don't get the motivation of Bob hitting on Pete in the last episode. Did Bob actually think Pete was gay and was trying to seduce him? Surely Bob isn't really interested in Pete? It's just a game? One that backfired horribly (at least the gay seduction part).

    Is Pete's mother's ex-nurse that Bob suggested, Bob's lover? Or just an accomplice? Did t(he)y plan to rob Pete's mother blind? Or is the nurse no one really, just a way for Bob to become more valuable to Pete (assume the nurse would have worked out, which didn't happen).

    I think Bob is a huge distraction this season although maybe I see where they're going with it now.

    Too bad, he's a fantastic actor and a great addition to the cast. I still wish FOX would release the unaired episodes of "Lone Star".
     
  15. stellie93

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    It seems funny to me that in Don's world a guy who can schmooze with clients and let them shoot at him is valued as high as someone who can come up with a brilliant ad campaign like Don or Peggy. Or at least almost as high. :confused:
     
  16. stellie93

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    Didn't someone get let go back a few seasons for being gay? Maybe Bob thinks he can make them think Pete is gay by putting him in an awkward position and then going and complaining himself that Pete is coming on to him. Then he gets Pete's job.
     
  17. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    I didn't get that either. Pete had just called Manolo a "degenerate" when Bob hinted that Manolo was not interested in women, so I can't see how Bob would then read that as thinking he had a chance with Pete. I was totally confused by that scene. Although I did take it to mean that Bob was explaining that Manolo was Bob's lover and that Manolo had been Bob's nurse/provider and Bob had developed his feelings for Manolo due to how well Manolo took care of him. What I didn't understand was Bob seemingly making a pass at Pete by touching knees.

    Yes, Sal was fired but it wasn't because he was gay. It was because their biggest client, Lee Garner Jr. of Lucky Strike was gay and had made a pass at Sal. Sal turned him down and Lee Garner Jr. was humiliated, so he forced Roger to can Sal.
     
  18. Zevida

    Zevida witless and unarmed TCF Club

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    Since Don is the (anti-) hero of this show and creative is definitely the shining star of the show, it makes sense that the writers have marginalized account management a bit. But in reality, without account managers, the creative team would have no one to pitch ideas to. Account managers have to keep the client happy and keep the creative teams in line and it is a difficult job to do. Agencies I've worked at and with the account manager is much more integral and involved than what we see on Mad Men. They do a lot more than just go to dinner and shake hands.
     
  19. Numb And Number2

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    The topic was broached and it was Bob's opportunity. Bob disagrees that what he suggests to Pete is degenerate, perhaps thinking Pete is in denial. Bob presents his case.. advertising!
     
  20. Steveknj

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    From the firm's standpoint, all true. From a client standpoint? I'm not so sure. I know it's a different time, but in my line of work, very often a client coming on board will request the CVs of those working on the team. Maybe in the 1960s this wasn't a regular occurrence. I'm not sure (and yes, I know, it's a TV show, and it all probably doesn't matter). If Bob is found out by a client, couldn't that mean trouble for the firm. Don at least has a reputation in the business. Other companies know who he is.

    The thing about Bob is, we STILL don't know what his motivation is. Is he just one of those people who bounce around from job to job pretending to be someone else and once found out, he just skips town and does it again? Or is he some sort of grifter with some ulterior motive that's going to come back and bite someone on the butt. Since there's one more season, I kind of feel that Bob is going to play a pivotal role in how the series ends.
     

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