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Loud Grinding Noise At Startup ?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by Durkis007, Sep 27, 2012.

  1. unitron

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    If it starts rebooting often, probably better to unplug the power instead of let it continue to damage itself.
     
  2. lujan

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    Impatience got the best of me so I blew out all of the dust after opening the Premiere. I can definitely tell that it's the fan now which is good. This didn't work however 'cause it still makes a lot of noise when starting up and seems to be continuing now all the time and not only at start up. I heard that this was the fan I needed:

    Evercool 50x15mm fan # EC5015M12CA

    Does anyone know what type of hard drive the basic Premiere uses in case I need to replace that as well?
     
  3. unitron

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    Go ahead and grab a WD20EURS from Amazon or newegg right now while they're only $100 and read up on how to copy the Premiere drive to it, and then take advantage of the extra space.

    When you do that, put the original drive on a shelf for safekeeping in case it's ever needed again.

    I was going to ask why you didn't just look at the drive while you had the cover off, but I seem to remember something about it being mounted upside down.
     
  4. lujan

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    EDIT: Never mind, I think I found it:

    Western Digital 320 GB TCD746320

    I'm not interested in getting a larger drive as I barely use 10 - 15% of the drive now and also have an external drive connected to it. I'm interested in getting the exact size of drive that comes with the basic Premiere when it is shipped. Do you know what that is?
     
  5. unitron

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    If you have a TCD746320, then that 320GB drive is the same size.

    If you have the more recent TCD746500 (exact same machine but with a 500GB drive), then you need a 500GB drive.

    Since you have an external drive (something you should have mentioned upfront while we were still in diagnosis mode), you may have to go with an exact replacement size-wise because of the odd way TiVo does the external drive "marriage".

    You might want to look around for a less expensive 320, however, 'cause that one's mighty pricey for what you're getting.
     
  6. unitron

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    If you get that model, you may have to run the utility

    wdidle3

    to turn off WD's Intellipark feature.
     
  7. lujan

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    Thanks again, I'm almost sure it's the older 320GB drive 'cause I got it the same month the Premiere's came out (April 2010). Also, since I don't use the external drive because of the limited usage, I could get a replacement drive without the external drive "marriage" I suppose? What would be the generic equivalent of the WD 320GB drive?
     
  8. unitron

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    If you replace the drive, you need to copy it to the new drive.

    Unlike the Series 1, 2, and 3 TiVos, one cannot make a truncated backup image of the original drive and then restore it to different drive.

    The software which allows one to do that does not work with the Series 4 TiVos, of which the Premiere (with the 320GB drive) was the first.

    TiVo changed something about the file and partition system that breaks the old MFS Live and WinMFS software.

    Any shows recorded after you connected the external drive may be and probably are spread across both drives.

    If you copy the original internal drive to another 320, then it should continue to work with the external just like the original internal drive did.

    If you wish to discontine using the external, you'll have to let the TiVo perform a "divorce" before removing the internal and copying it to a replacement. This will cost you any shows recorded after the external drive was added.
     
  9. lujan

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    You mentioned having to use "wdidle3" if I get the WD model but you didn't mention what I needed to use to copy the software to the new drive? Since I won't be using a PC, I don't know how to copy the information from the old drive into the new drive? Maybe there are instructions somewhere on hard drive replacements or upgrades that I can use?
     
  10. unitron

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    Pardon me while I start to have a bad feeling about all of this.

    If you won't be using a PC, how do you intend to copy the original drive to the new drive?
     
  11. lujan

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    No need to get a bad feeling since I have a PC but have never done this before so don't know how. Do you need to connect both hard drives to a PC and copy (old drive to new drive) before connecting to TiVo? I didn't think I could use a PC because I use Windows and thought all of this might be Linux based, am I wrong? Maybe you could point me to the instructions and I can look there?
     
  12. unitron

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    Others have wrongly believed that you just put a blank drive in the TiVo and it takes care of putting the software on it.

    It doesn't work that way.

    (and wdidle3 is not put on the drive, it alters the firmware of a drive attached to a PC motherboard SATA controller port)

    What you do is boot the PC with a bootable cd that loads a version of the Linux operating system into memory (RAM) which then controls the PC, and then use one of the programs which also get loaded to do a byte for byte copy from the original TiVo drive to the intended replacement.

    If you're going to use a larger drive, you can use the jmfs cd v1.04 to do the copy and then enlarge into the extra space.

    If the same size drive, I think you can use just the first part of what it does to do the copy.

    Do not boot into Windows with the Premiere's drive attached.

    If that PC has a GigaByte brand motherboard, say so, as there are steps that need to be taken to prevent it from screwing things up because of its tendency to put a Host Protected Area on attached drives.

    And you use a bootable cd with wdidle3 on it that boots into a DOS environment.

    Or you use the Ultimate Boot cd, which has wdidle3 on it (in addition to a bunch of other stuff, including the WD diagnostic software which you should run on any WD drive before putting it into service--never assume that new guarantees good)

    Do you know how to burn a cd "as an image"?
     
  13. lujan

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    I've burned DVDs & CDs from .iso files if that's what you're asking? Otherwise, it seems more complicated than I imagined.
     
  14. unitron

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    The burning software you used should have an option to burn an .iso image as an image, rather than just as a file, and that will put the files inside the bootable cd image in the right places on the cd so that it's bootable.
     
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    It might, I think it's only Series 1 TiVos that don't like Caviar Blues, but...

    As long as you aren't married to the idea of cloning the original drive to another of exactly the same size--320GB--, you might as well get the designed specifically for video recording and has a 3 year warranty instead of the Blue's 2 year warranty WD20EURS while Amazon still has it for only $100 w/free shipping

    http://www.amazon.com/WD-AV-GP-TB-Hard-Drive/dp/B0042AG9V8

    and never worry about running out of space.

    We know that model works in Premieres.


    Also available for the exact same money from newegg

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136783
     

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