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Lost: They Had A Plan (or, Not So Much)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Rob Helmerichs, Sep 20, 2013.

  1. stellie93

    stellie93 Active Member

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    I discovered TCF during Lost--a friend kept coming to work with all this info I had missed after it aired. He gave me the link and I have ended up enjoying all my shows a lot more since, but especially Lost. (And GoT) Thanks, guys. :up:
     
  2. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    While watching LOST, I always felt like it would be best if they had plotted out the whole show from Day 1 and then just filled in the minor details as they went. So when it started to become obvious that the show wasn't fully planned, I was disappointed. I felt the same way about Battlestar Galactica when it clearly went off the rails.

    But listening to the Official Breaking Bad podcasts recently, it's helped me realize how fluid the storytelling is on TV shows. Vince Gilligan is one of the best serialized TV writers ever, and even he constantly talks about how important is is to keep your mind open to various possibilities. Even with this final season of Breaking Bad, the writers took a lot longer to "break" the season than they thought they would. I think Vince said they took about 4 weeks per episode just to break the story, and that didn't even include the actual writing of the episode scripts. Most shows, especially on broadcast, don't have that kind of time and can't be that detailed in the plotting of the stories. But to think that any TV show can decide on Day 1 how the plot will develop and what will happen is completely naive to how TV shows are actually made. It would be a major mistake for a creator to write a show and plan it all out and think that his vision is the best that could possibly be and not be open to new ideas and new directions that are pitched to him in the writer's room.
     
  3. danterner

    danterner Not it!

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    Not to mention the things you just can't control, like actors leaving the show, which may necessitate big changes in story mid-stream.
     
  4. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Ellicott...
    It was fun for the first couple of seasons, but then the roller coaster went off the rails and nobody had a clue what was going on. I've never seen a series that had to have so many recap episodes just so the viewer could try and sort out the mess they made. The writers would introduce crap and then simply drop it from the storyline.

    It started off great and really got my interest so I stuck around for the long haul. The last couple of seasons were such a bungled mess that it was hard to understand what was happening. The ending was such a major disappointment that it totally pissed me off. It made me wish I had never wasted my time watching the show for the entire series.
     
  5. Church AV Guy

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    I really liked Lost, A LOT, but I have to admit, if they hadn't done the "last week's episode" just before the "this week's episode" I would have been totally confused. The "last week's episode" had those comments at the bottom explaining things, pointing out Easter Eggs, connections and in general untangling the mess. Many people hated thise comments, but I liked them a lot, for clarity.

    On the DVD, was there an option to include them? I always assumed that if you bought the DVDs, you could turn them on and off at will.
     
  6. philw1776

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    The problem with Lost, one of the best TV series ever, is that by introducing and telling the stories of Jake & his bro in detail in Season 6 they made 90% of what transpired the 1st 5 seasons irrelevant or greatly diminished. Why it's still great is the soap opera of the characters' lives and interactions. Oh, and Kate.
     
  7. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    They didn't have a plan, so what? I liked the show for what it was, not because someone said that they knew where they were going with the show.
     
  8. gchance

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    How was that the show's fault? Honestly, that was the network's fault, for looking at the audience the way Ronald D. Moore does: that they're morons that have to have everything told to them over and over.

    That's probably thing I always loved (and still love) about Lost: it treats the audience as intelligent human beings and doesn't coddle. Sadly, ABC couldn't handle that. None of the networks can, that's why cable is winning at this point.

    Greg
     
  9. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Bear in mind that this was written after they had finished the pilot.

    Apparently, the network forced them to change their mind on that plan before filming began.
     
  10. mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    You pretty much just described the vast majority of the viewing public. :rolleyes: Obviously the network must have felt that the show was so confusing to the average viewer that they had to be told what was going on because there was no way anyone could figure it out on their own.

    How does it treat the audience as anything but confused? Some of the smartest people I know watched that show and most of them were scratching their heads trying to figure out what the writers were trying to portray while in their drug-induced stupor. I've seen the writers and they look like some serious throwbacks to the sixties.

    One of the best shows ever? Definitely not. One of the most disappointing, perhaps. Don't get me wrong because I got sucked into watching the show just like everyone else and enjoyed it immensely, at least up to a point. It's like the writers just said f*@k it and decided to just start making ***** up just to confuse everyone. The storyline got so disjointed and out of whack I almost gave up on it. I hung in right up to the last episode. Unfortunately, instead of feeling closure and satisfaction for a show well done all I could think was that there went five years of TV watching I'll never get back.
     
  11. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof? Really?

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    Sounds like YMMV. I feel 180.
     
  12. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    I think it was both. One of the best, and one of the most disappointing.

    It's too bad that what was for me the most important and interesting parts of the show, was for them just filler.
     
  13. zordude

    zordude WDW Fan TCF Club

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    I don't ever want to ride the rollercoaster where you can get off before the ride is over :p
     
  14. mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    I agree. It started out as one of the best and then just went south towards the end. What ticked me off the most was that they would introduce a situation and then drop it from the storyline. IIRC, they introduced the smoke monster in the first season and then forgot about it until the final episodes. The ending reminded me of the miniseries they did for Stephen King's "It." It was scary at the beginning and then it was reduced to a stupid monster movie.

    This show probably caused more controversy than any other show I've ever seen. You either loved it or you hated it or both. In the end, it just pissed me off.
    As for the writers, they did a special about Lost where they interviewed the writers and they both looked like they just came out of a Hangover sequel. They looked nothing like the picture above.
     
  15. gchance

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    You seem more upset that there are those of us who understood what was going on and you didn't. I'm sorry you feel like you threw away 5 years, perhaps you should have bailed earlier.

    Greg
     
  16. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Just a WAG, but I would bet every single season had multiple appearances of Smoky.
     
  17. JMikeD

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    I just finished a re-watch of the entire series, and yes, Smokey showed up in all the seasons.

    I enjoyed the series much more the second time around, when I could watch multiple episodes several days a week. I read the appropriate entries in the Finding Lost books for each episode, also.

    This time around, the ending didn't bother me at all.
     
  18. philw1776

    philw1776 Active Member

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    Yes
    That's why I have never re-watched the show I once loved. No point to it.
     
  19. Freshman JS

    Freshman JS Blue Devil - x2

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    how did that make anything that happened in the 1st 5 seasons irrelevant?
     
  20. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    Because basically ALL that happened before had little to do with the two brothers' battle. It just felt that all the Dharma stuff, the Others, the stuff with Whitmore, were pretty meaningless in the bigger picture of the brothers' chess game. It was like five years of interesting plot lines were completely meaningless. I loved the ride for those 5 years, but the 6th year I could have done without.
     

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