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Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, May 23, 2010.

  1. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

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    I'd say that Lost was one too.

    I was surprised that people hadn't figured this out by Walkabout.
    I'd see other people get consumed by "the mysteries of the Island" and I didn't give them a huge amount of thought because I was more interested in the characters.
     
  2. Rob Helmerichs

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    But it wasn't presented as solely such. The "mysteries of the island" were given a TON of play, along with the "we had the ending planned from the beginning) statements. So having the mysetiers of the island mean nothing and the character study mean everything was a partial bait-and-switch. And kudos to you for not caring about the good stuff (;)), but some of us did, and I hope you can see that our deep disappointment was entirely justified from that perspective, just as was your unadulterated bliss.
     
  3. JYoung

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    In every interview that I saw or read with Cuse and Lindelof (dating back to the end of Season 1 or beginning of Season 2), they said that it was about the characters. So it's not like they were hiding that intent.

    And it's not that I wasn't curious about the mysteries, I just didn't obsess about them.
    :)
     
  4. philw1776

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    It's not obsessing about the mysteries. It's the fact that so many of them were a multiyear major part of the show's fabric. I never expected to have "answers" to most of the so-called mysteries but I did not expect to have the last part of Season 6 introduce a whole new story (the cretinous brothers story) that made most everything else that had transpired for years suddenly irrelevant.

    I even would argue for keeping some mysteries unanswered. For example the inane reveal of what the smoke monster really was was far worse than never answering that specific detail. Leaving it as the "island's security system" was enough of an answer.
     
  5. JYoung

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    We'll have to agree to disagree as I don't see how the brothers' story made anything before irrelevant.
    Whether Cuse and Lindelof pulled Jacob and Smokey out of their butt or not at the end of Season 5, there were seeds sown in previous seasons.

    To be fair, I do think the Temple subplot in Season 6 can go.
     
  6. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    When they became the central focus of the show, it made everything that seemed to be the central focus of the show up to that time irrelevant. The central mystery of the show became not what we had been watching for several years, but what they introduced near the end.
     
  7. JYoung

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    As I said, the seeds were sown earlier.
     
  8. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    This, but we've been over it again so many times. My single biggest complaint is that they moved the goalposts to the exact opposite end of the field, making the rest pretty much irrelevant. I could have handled no answers to most of the mysteries, or even dumb answers, but I'll never forgive the writers for switching the story around so much that the last season felt like a completely different show.

    Still, I enjoyed most of it. Like I said the journey was MUCH better than the destination.
     
  9. philw1776

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    Well said Steveknj
    Wonderful journey
     
  10. waldingrl

    waldingrl Active Member

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    Rewatching now with my son (now that he is old enough and wants to watch it). It's such a fun ride!
     
  11. jkeegan

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    I was hoping this thread would live on for years so we could all fondly remember the show, not so that every 2-3 years when one of us (me this time) bumps the thread, people who grumbled about the ending would grumble about it again.. (especially if they get things wrong).

    Jacob and his brother were not introduced at the end.. Jacob's name was shown in like season 2 - VERY early on (someone had his eyes pried open A-Clockwork-Orange-style and was being made to watch video that said Jacob loves you).

    The focus of the show was about the people who came to the island. That's exactly what we watched. They didn't move any goal posts - you just misinterpreted what the goal posts were.

    Part of the journey of watching people through the show was finding out about their pasts.. but another part was finding out where they were right now.

    We find out that they were on an island whose past had future versions of them..

    We find out that they were chosen to be on the island after all, and that it was for a reason (hinted at since the 3rd episode of the entire series).

    We find out that one of the key points of history on this island (The Incident, which was named early in season two on the film reel) was actually caused by future versions of themselves.. We got to see that happen, knowing ahead of time that it couldn't do what they wanted it to ("change" something.. which we'd already had established was impossible - what happened, happened).

    In the last season half of what we watched was the rest of what happened on that island. The other half was what happened to the people after that.

    I'm sorry if people didn't like the time travel stuff, but it was awesome.

    I'm sorry if people didn't like the Jacob vs his-brother stuff, but it was awesome.

    I'm sorry if people didn't like what Jack and the rest had made for themselves after dying, or that they could do that, or that this universe had anything mystical in it. It turns out it did. The story was well told.

    I'm sorry that anyone could have been satisfied by the idea that the floating smoke monster was simply a security mechanism for the island, and be willing to leave it at that. Seriously? No further explanation? Someone decided to make a nanotech swarm of black dust and have it go around protecting the island for some unspecified reason? Why?

    Following the journey through time that the smoke monster went through just to kill Jacob was pure awesome. I'm sorry that some didn't have the patience to do it. That happened in the 6th season. I'm sorry if you DID have the patience to do it but just didn't like it. You're wrong if you think it wasn't awesome. It was.

    Lost was incredible. I don't understand why anyone would want to let themselves dislike it for any reason.
     
  12. jkeegan

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    Yeah it does suck watching others get things wrong.

    Especially when it causes THEM less happiness.

    But other than that sadness I feel for some of my fellow TiVo brothers and sisters not allowing themselves to enjoy a show as great as Lost, it's actually pretty happy. After all, I still get to fondly remember Lost!
     
  13. DavidJL

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    Wow, Denial ain't just a river in the land of Taweret
     
  14. stellie93

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    :up: :up: :up:
     
  15. danterner

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    Regardless of whether the story held together or fell apart in the final analysis (for my money, it mostly held together and left me more satisfied than not), I'll always remember LOST fondly for many reasons:

    1. The long discussions and theorizing it inspired here

    2. The meta-aspects of the show, like the ABC.com Diary, and the Hanso Foundation fake commercials, and the ARG in between the first and second season, and the novel that was pretty sucky but which I devoured for clues nevertheless

    3. The fan podcasts, like Jack and Jay, and that one with the couple from Hawaii where the guy sounded a bit like Dr. Bunsen Honeydew, and Jorge Garcia's own podcast, and Carlton and Damon's podcast

    4. The Fuselage, which was the official show forum, in which the cast and writers often actively participated in the threads. It was cool theorizing along with Jorge, or asking a question of Javier Grillo-Marxuach and getting it answered, however obliquely.

    No show since has come even close to sucking me in as deeply, even though there have been some which have been better television and which stuck the landing (like Breaking Bad).
     
  16. jkeegan

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    I do miss the Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse (Darlton!) podcast.. listened to that every week...
     
  17. betts4

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    :) this.
     
  18. betts4

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    A Galaxy...
    :up:
     
  19. Steveknj

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    No need to apologize. We all walked away from this show with a different impression of the ending. But, it's not about patience. Because I loved everything about the first 5 seasons. Loved it. I was definitely NOT one of those who got mad because they didn't show the answers to this or that question. I liked all the misdirection, when it involved our main characters that I had a vested interest for FIVE years. All of the events on the island, I figured at one time would tie into something, not sure what. But Jacob and his brother, while hinted at since early on, always felt to me like they were made up by Ben, and used by Ben like a diety to advance his power over those under his control. I still consider that what we watched for FIVE seasons really meant NOTHING in the eventual scheme of things, in that the whole thing was just a power struggle between Jacob and his bro.

    *I get that what we saw was about the characters, but in the end, the characters were all pawns of a giant chess game between the brothers, and at least I took out of this that nothing they did was really in their control, as it turned out.

    *I get the future vs. past version of the characters, and I'm fine with that, but in the end, things like The Incident, meant nothing to the struggle between Jacob and his bro.

    If you think it was ALL awesome, and loved how it played out, that's fine. But no need to apologize to those of us who saw it differently. I still stand by my statement that the ride was much better than the destination.

    I agree with everyone who mentioned how much fun the ride was and all the peripheral stuff that just added to it. I'll say that Lost was probably the first Internet enhanced show that I ever watched, and maybe the first of it's kind. Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad and even The Big Bang Theory have Lost to thank for a lot of the "buzz" on the internet it gets.
     
  20. philw1776

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    Excellent riposte
     

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