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Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, May 23, 2010.

  1. Silverman

    Silverman New Member

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    Yes Rob, that is exactly the sick thinking that resulted in nothing in Lost coming to a conclusion. Nothing made sense, even for an "in purgatory" ending. Like the atomic bomb going off for instance, that whole plot line just dropped and those 2 old guys protecting the island hundreds of years, but yet Dharma set up there and drilled into it with them doing not a thing.

    I am glad word of this sick thinking by writers is getting out. I found it amazing when ABC came out with Alice in Wonderland they even said from the writers of Lost in promos!! Made me know it will never make sense or have an ending and guess what? Ratings are low and I think the connection to a badly written Lost helped do it in. After all the similar Wonderland show is doing much better. I hope those Lost writers never work again writing for anyone, that is my wish.
     
  2. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I've given up caring about this stuff anymore. The last season wasn't great and a lot of things didn't make sense at the end. But, it's still one of my top 10 TV shows of all time, and looking back a few years down the road, like the Seinfeld finale, it bothers me less and less. The WTF moments on Lost far outnumber any other series I ever watched (Game of Thrones is catching up, but not quite there yet). The fun of the series is you had NO idea which direction they were turning.
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Oh, I think some (most) of the Lost writers are quite good, even brilliant. Including Lindelof.

    But they should be on writing staffs, not running the show. Contributing, not controlling.
    What's even more fun (for me, at least) is when you have NO idea what direction they're turning. But afterward, you look back and think, "Oh, NOW I see where that came from." Not, "Huh. Guess they pulled THAT one out of their @$$."
     
  4. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    There was definitely some of both. When I think of Lost, I always say, I enjoyed the ride but the destination was disappointing. I think of it as a Cross Country trip to L.A. where all those places you visited on the way were so much better than the eventual destination.
     
  5. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Yeah, if they'd had the same writers but somebody like JMS in charge (but not actually writing himself) to keep an eye on the end-game (hell, to have one in the first place), Lost could have been one of the all-time great shows instead of something that was very entertaining for a few years, and pretty entertaining for a couple of years.
     
  6. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    JMS?
     
  7. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    J. Michael Something no one can ever remember so they just call him JMS. The guy who created Babylon 5. Legendary big-picture guy. Not so great at individual moments.
     
  8. jkeegan

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    **** that. Lost > B5.
     
  9. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Oh, absolutely, in many (most) ways.

    But in a few significant ways, B5 blows Lost out of the water. And those ways separate Lost from true greatness. If you take the many strengths of Lost, and add to it the few things that Lost was sadly lacking in but B5 nailed, you would have possibly the greatest show in the history of television. THat's all I was trying to say.
     
  10. jkeegan

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    Ok.

    But I'll say this - I was far happier with the ending to Lost than to that of B5.

    You can try to blame it on higher ups all you want (for mucking with seasons etc and it not ending when they wanted), but the Lost writers went way out of their way to make sure they had a guaranteed end date before they started down that path. So it can be done, and B5 failed at that.

    By the way, to whomever complained a few posts back about the bomb.. They did exactly what they had to with the bomb. They COULD NOT have it change anything - what happened happened.. Anything from the 2nd flight of Jack in the plane SHOULD have felt wrong - it was.

    The ending was great.
     
  11. brermike

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    I agree, completely.
     
  12. philw1776

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    That would be hilarious were it not so true. Can't believe I spent years with LOST and to a lesser and quicker extent BSG trying to figure out the deep meaning and underlying connections that didn't freakin' exist.
     
  13. brermike

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    That's a shame. I still find both shows incredibly satisfying even in rewatches. But to each their own. Luckily, we're fortunate to have a plethora of great TV for everyone's tastes!
     
  14. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    I think Lost and BG appeal most to people who like the individual moments, and not so much to people who want the moments to come together into something more.

    And they were both shows that had an implicit promise that it would all come together, but failed to do so. Which makes them doubly disappointing to the latter type.
     
  15. ct1

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    B5 was like a long game of chess where you would look back after a dozen moves and marvel at that weird move that put the pawn in just the right spot.

    Lost is like a game of chess where you look back after the game is over and see that for some reason a bunch of pieces seem to have gotten knocked onto the floor.
     
  16. Anubys

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    It shocked to find out that the writers of Breaking Bad made things up as they went along. So did the writers of LOST. BSG also made it up from one episode to the next. Only B5 was created knowing the major details beforehand.

    BB worked out perfectly, LOST was so so, and BSG was a disaster. So my take on it is that it doesn't matter if "there is no plan" as long as the writers are good enough to make everything work. If you suck, you get BSG. If you're good, you get BB.
     
  17. betts4

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    I like this description. However I would add to the LOST one - "then you bend over, pick half up and add a few more from another game and keep going."
     
  18. DevdogAZ

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    Not quite an apples to apples comparison. Breaking Bad had shorter seasons and Vince Gilligan was adamant that they "break" the story of the entire season before writing each of the scripts. This is why the seasons of BB are so well done.

    But that's unusual in TV. Most shows will start writing in the early summer, and they'll have a handful of episodes written by the time the cast and crew come off hiatus and start filming. Most shows don't plan ahead because they barely have the ability to stay ahead of the shooting schedule, much less think multiple seasons into the future. And since the number of shows that make it past the first season is miniscule, it doesn't make economic sense for a writer to spend a lot of time developing a long-term plan for a show. Chances are, that time will end up wasted.
     
  19. Rob Helmerichs

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    And I think a lot of the reason for that was that BB was at heart a character study. They had a sense of where the characters were going; what happened along the way didn't matter so much for its own sake, just so far as it moved the characters along. But Lost and BG both pretended to be something they ended up not being (i.e., Great Mysteries To Be Solved). What happened mattered a lot more than the writers seemed to understand, given the way they chose to structure their stories.
     
  20. aindik

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    I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, but that's not a real quote from Damon Lindelof. You knew that, right?
     

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