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Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, May 23, 2010.

  1. Jun 1, 2010 #1081 of 1749
    Family

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    I believe Lost of all shows would be open to interpretation and thought. It was stated many times (by I believe even the writers) that every question leads to another question. Throughout the series (right up til the end) many things never had definitive answers. And even when answers were given they were often misdirections to both viewers and character.

    So what was Christian supposed to say, "Jack everything that happened which helped resolve your life and helped resolve the lives of those you love happened in your minds?" Think Jack would have quietly moved on with that? Why is it that thoughout the series the motivation of Dharma, Jacob, the Others, the Island, Richard was always filled with misdirection and suddenly because it was the ending we are supposed to take everything said literally. Lost was fantasy and we are trying to tie it together with a nice little bow as a finished package when the writers obviously left much of the rest of it up to interpretation.

    Funny I thought the Polar Bears arrived because of the island moving during last season. Was it ever said Dharma brought them or this is another thing we figured out for ourselves?
     
  2. Jun 1, 2010 #1082 of 1749
    Anubys

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    I think the cage where Sawyer was held (and finally figured out how to get the food) had the bears in it...they (the Others) made fun of James for figuring out how to get the food in more time than it took the bears...

    also, one of the Dharma videos mentioned experimenting on polar bears...

    I see your point about the overall theme of the show...the writers didn't have to have the scene with Christian at all if they wanted to leave it open for interpretation...they chose to go the direct route and give us this one answer :shrug:
     
  3. Jun 1, 2010 #1083 of 1749
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    And from what everyone says you are correct and I am wrong. But I am wishing the writers were better than this ending so I guess I've developed my own alternate universe... shrug too
     
  4. Jun 1, 2010 #1084 of 1749
    philw1776

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    I confess that I was a Man of Faith that the writers would give us an ending that was imaginative, creative and answered some of the more cogent questions about the nature of the Island itself. While I agree that LOST was about the characters, in LOST the setting, the Island was FAR more integral to the story than if we'd watched a 6 year ensemble drama cast in NYC instead. Therefore to give short shrift to many of the fundamental mysteries that intrigued viewers from season one onward and instead waste half of this last season on the cute trick of SidewaysLA, pulled out of nowhere, seems like a break of trust. As a day one supporter of the writers, I was greatly let down. The "Look at this neat twist!" Purgatory trick hasn't succeeded in distracting me from the fact that they took the lazy way out dodging too many issues, something I expected from Battlestar Galactica, but was really surprised to see from LOST.
     
  5. Jun 1, 2010 #1085 of 1749
    madscientist

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    As I said before, I have no problems with people inventing their own interpretations of the show: how you interpret it is no business of mine. Just please don't expect us to agree with you that that interpretation could be what the writers of the show intended: it's clearly not the case. Christian was there to ensure that the vision of the show's creators was communicated clearly, so we'd all understand what we were seeing and that we didn't come away thinking it was all a dream or whatever. There's no doubt the writers wanted us to believe that the island was real and that everything that happened there really happened (please understand when I say "real" I mean "real on the TV show LOST"; obviously these things are not real). Why shouldn't we accept that, on the TV show LOST, all these things are real? That's why it's a TV show and not a documentary.

    Personally, I rather liked the ending. I liked the Sopranos ending, and the Six Feet Under ending, and The Wire ending. Maybe I'm just easy to please. I actually think the writers did a very good job with Lost; it was not nauseatingly insipid but it was hopeful. I don't really get why Rob thinks it's "relentlessly stupid"--I mean if you're in for the rest of the LOST canon, why balk at the last bit? It's certainly not (IMO) nearly the most out-there thing in the show.

    As for answers, I'm in the camp that says things like the Island are fundamentally unexplainable and that just about any attempt to do so would end up being horrible (count me among those who hates midichlorians). The Island just IS, it's a place where some things happened to some people, and we watched a story about how they reacted and changed because of it.
     
  6. Jun 1, 2010 #1086 of 1749
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Because in addition to making almost no sense whatsoever, it comes completely out of the blue. The genius of the Sopranos and Wire endings is that they grew organically out of the shows. The Lost ending didn't. It just happened.
     
  7. Jun 1, 2010 #1087 of 1749
    jkeegan

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    Bah, you're just mad that the universe wasn't broken. :p
     
  8. Jun 1, 2010 #1088 of 1749
    Rob Helmerichs

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    :D

    But no, I'm more generally mad. That it all didn't add up to anything.

    It was still a great series. I just wish it had soared across the finish line, not stumbled across.
     
  9. Jun 1, 2010 #1089 of 1749
    DUSlider

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    Finally caught up to the end of this thread... oh my... Since the discussion of what happened for the finale is getting old and moldy and just turning into bickering back and forth of the different camps that hated it and liked it. I pose this question to you all...

    If you were Lindelof and Cuse... How would YOU have ended the series? How would YOU have answered all of the questions that weren't answered?
     
  10. Jun 1, 2010 #1090 of 1749
    unixadm

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    I think it was on Jimmy Kimmel Live after the finale, Cuse and Lindelof said that the finale was the creation of JJ Abrams after filming the Pilot episode. He had a vision of the crash on the island, knew of a bunch of mysteries he wanted to introduce and knew that the series finale would end in a church with all of them meeting up before moving onto the afterlife together. Abrams didn't know how long the series would last so that finale could have been at the end of the 1st season, 2nd season, etc depending on whether ABC kept picking up the show.

    From what I read into it, since the show kept an audience and was getting renewed, they had to throw in more filler, mysteries, the time travel stuff etc to keep people interested, but they knew from the beginning that lots of that wouldn't mean much in the end other than solidify the relationships of the main characters. None of that was originally written and they wrote that as things progressed.

    I liked the ending....yes, I would have liked to learn more about the island and it's creation, what it's purpose was, etc.....but in the end, it was all about the characters, and we got a good, bittersweet ending with all of the characters spending the afterlife with the ones that meant the most to them.

    Has anyone watched the Enhanced finale on ABC? I am wondering what info/hints/clues they displayed during that final scene.
     
  11. Jun 1, 2010 #1091 of 1749
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    How do you know this? The writers didn't come out and tell you why they wrote that line. You interpreted it. Another interpretation is that Christian said what he said to Jack because Jack needed to hear that in order to move on. He needed to believe that all this soul searching really happened.

    I'm not saying I agree; I think it's far more likely that we're supposed to take Christian's speech at face value. But I think it's unfair to say that just because you have come to a conclusion that you're absolutely convinced of, others aren't allowed to see it differently.
     
  12. Jun 1, 2010 #1092 of 1749
    slydog75

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    Well, just keep in mind that in many people's minds (including my own) it did soar across the line.
     
  13. Jun 1, 2010 #1093 of 1749
    Rob Helmerichs

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    True. But by definition, you're wrong, because you disagree with me.

    :D
     
  14. Jun 1, 2010 #1094 of 1749
    jkeegan

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    :up:
     
  15. Jun 1, 2010 #1095 of 1749
    wprager

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    If a character lies, the lie has to be exposed in some way. Can you think of any story where a character tells a lie but we never find out it was a lie? True, you can definitely create ambiguity (via visual queues) but that scene was played straight on. There was no ambiguity, and there was no further exposition; that was the end of the story and, therefore, it had to be the truth.

    I honestly cannot see it any other way. Not to say that I cannot imagine a different ending, but that would be a different story.

    And, for the record, Rob, it was way better than you think. And don't bother disagreeing, since you'll just be proving yourself wrong :cool:
     
  16. Jun 1, 2010 #1096 of 1749
    ronsch

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    IIRC, there were no enhancements after the final commercial break. It was the same as the original airing for the final 15 minutes. Just to keep everyone arguing I guess.:)
     
  17. Jun 1, 2010 #1097 of 1749
    betts4

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    :up:
     
  18. Jun 2, 2010 #1098 of 1749
    latrobe7

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    Well, your level of accuracy is consistent; I will grant you that. :cool:
     
  19. Jun 2, 2010 #1099 of 1749
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Well, of course it is! Duh!

    Wait a minute...
     
  20. Jun 2, 2010 #1100 of 1749
    Hunter Green

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    I was right, again. :D
     

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