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Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, May 23, 2010.

  1. jkeegan

    jkeegan New Member

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    In this one camping trip I've already converted two people (one a friend who was vehemently against the finale) and one total stranger & his 3-4 teenage sons), all of which are now eager to rewatch the entire series.

    I feel like Desmond in the flash sideways, going around to people and helping them let go of the "what about Walt?" questions and bringing them into the happy light.

    Maybe that was deliberate by the writers, and why they're in silence not talking about the finale. They want us to figure it out and have the fun of bringing people into the light. :)
     
  2. Anubys

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    Actually, No. SHE was not :rolleyes: ;)
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

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    Dan Terner's a she?!?

    Dang, is MY face red!
     
  4. stellie93

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    I was waxing philosophical and asking a rhetorical question about real life.

    He was kidding.

    Anubys thought I was talking about the show. (I think).

    I'll try to be more clear in future. ;)
     
  5. betts4

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    Ha! Yes!! I was at a memorial day picnic yesterday and there were 4 of us talking about it. 2 that were vehemently badmouthing the ending, 1 that didn't 'get it' and me.

    Of the 2 that were bad mouthing it, I explained away most all of the loudest guys reasons for thinking it was not right (thanks to a lot of you here at tcf) and the other guy just realized I was a force to be reckoned with and shut up. The one guy that didn't get it and I talked for a good long while and I ended up telling him to go rewatch it and he will appreciate it.

    Even more fun was just as we were ending the conversation, another friend of mine came up and was like "Betts, I loved that finale! Wasn't it awesome!!" He and I have been watching LOST since season one and talking about it afterwards. So I wasn't the only one there 'defending' it.
     
  6. danterner

    danterner Not it!

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    I am male, and I was joking. Rob's right on all counts (as usual).

    Stellie asked a question about a "universe with no concept of time" but the choices she posed both still depended upon the concept of time (e.g. "do we get all get there at the same time" versus "have our friends and relatives been there waiting for us.") Either one of those choices can't be right (or they both can) in a universe with no concept of time. So it seemed the only right answer to the (non-yes/no) question was "yes"
     
  7. jkeegan

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    I think there's just a bit too much reading into Christian's statement about time in the flash sideways. My interpretation was just that they were trying to explain that right after Jack died, he was in sideways 815, and right after Boone died, he was in sideways 815, and right after Hurley died, he was in 815. That's it.

    As an aside I think Christian's line was actually something like "There is no 'now' here" in response to something like "but why are they all here now?", but I'll go look that up.
     
  8. Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    That's exactly what happened. It's amazing that so many people (including a lot of professional reviewers) are missing that.

    There is a lot that was ambiguous in the series and a lot of unanswered questions. This was not one of them.
     
  9. Anubys

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    male? really? you need to change your avatar :D

    I was actually talking about Stellie...but it's funnier about you, so let's go with that :p

    Christian did say "there is no now, here", or something very close to it...
     
  10. DevdogAZ

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    I don't think it's quite that simple. Throughout the season, several of us commented on strange timeline anomalies in the sideways universe. For example, Sun and Jin got off the plane, were detained by customs, released, went to their hotel, slept over, and the next morning, Keamy and his crew showed up, there was the showdown at the restaurant, and Sun was rushed to the hospital. So as far as we know, Sun was rushed to the hospital the day after the flight landed.

    However, after the flight landed, Locke went back to work (presumably the next day), got fired by Randy, met Hurley in the parking lot, was referred to Rose's temp agency, got a job as a substitute at Ben's school, helped Ben organize a coup against the principal, and then was ultimately run down by Desmond and was rushed to the hospital.

    Sun and Locke are being wheeled into the hospital at the same time. Are we to believe that Locke did all of that stuff in the one day after the flight landed?

    There were several other strange time anomalies, and as soon as Christian said, "there is no now here," I knew those anomalies were intentional and this was the explanation for them.
     
  11. Jun 1, 2010 #1071 of 1741
    Family

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    Well count me as one of those idiots who thinks alternate interpretations are valid.

    I believe the entire LOST story to be collective near death experiences of anyone/everyone who ever visited the island. So I interpret Jack's back story episodes as the viewer seeing Jack's predeath experience... Kate's backstories as hers... Hurley's as his and so on. When Christian said they all died at different times - yes the others might have been dead for years or people on the plane might have died minutes or even seconds apart. After all, the amount of time did not matter in the sideways universe. When Christian said "these people were most important" it was because each had worked out life's issues in this collaborative predeath setting that paved the way for what was next.

    We are left with so many unexplained or poorly explained questions about the island which leads the true Lost fan to have to conclude that the island wasn't important... the personal relationships were. This after six years of continuous questions about the mysterious magical island. Well the finale concluded the people counted most and with this ending I agree. The island wasn't important because its mysteries were only a setting for each individual to tie up his/her life. This board slams those with this opinion, but it seems to me that the its members find it easier to believe in time travel, smoke monsters, immortality and other fantasy than the possibility of collective near death experience.

    The most common phrases during the six years... the island isn't done with you.... the island wants you to do this. Why is it impossible to believe that what this meant is "Jack you are not resolved" or "Kate you have to work out killing your step father." I am not saying my interpretation is correct... I think the writers intentionally left the debate open. This narrow group (I mean anyone posting to a Lost forum for years is not the average viewer) saw it only one way.
     
  12. Jun 1, 2010 #1072 of 1741
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    The reason we all feel that our interpretation is correct is that the show itself told us (in the form of Christian's speech, and others) what is happening. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever, in or out of the show, that supports the "near-death experience" interpretation. Most of the people in this forum have watched the show very carefully over the last 6 years and we believe that the show itself will tell us how it should be interpreted, and we want to base our interpretation on the actual events and dialog in the show. Various characters saying that the island wants this or that, or the belief that not enough of the island mythology was explained, are certainly not even close to proof that none of it ever existed and everyone is just having a near-death experience. Saying that the writers left the debate open is actually not true: in fact they used Christian to provide the most concrete answer to this debate of just about any "mystery" in Lost.

    In short, your interpretation has no foundation in the show itself.

    N, of course, TTAWWT. It certainly doesn't bother me that other people want to view the show differently: have at it! But, that doesn't meant that we should all agree that some other interpretation is equally likely... it just isn't.
     
  13. Jun 1, 2010 #1073 of 1741
    Family

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    What about Christian's speech didn't fit my interpretation? As I said they did die at different times. Some died instantly, Jack lived to walk through the woods, and the Other's (Ben/Julliet) died whenever they did. Who knows when Desmond/Penny/the pilot died?

    What's your explanation on why the writers chose to leave so much unexplained? Answers like the characters were more important are also interpretations which to me didn't follow the six years of what the show (or these threads for that matter) were about. So for me anyway leaving many key mysteries unresolved was either poor planning or the writers wanted the ending to have personal meaning for each viewer.
     
  14. Jun 1, 2010 #1074 of 1741
    Anubys

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    I think you're ignoring the part where he told Jack that the island was real and that everything was real...he also told him that the time he spent with these people was the most important time of his life...

    to say that it was real and important for...oh...the hour it took for everyone to die on the island from the crash is a little hard to agree with; which is what, I believe, you are trying to say...

    everything that happened is real does not mean "real in your head", IMHO...
     
  15. Jun 1, 2010 #1075 of 1741
    Family

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    It was real because it was collective amongst all those who were involved in the story wheither from the plane or not. It was not in Jack's/Kate's or anyone's head, but was a collaborative experience. The backstories might have been person specific, but the time together was real... just out of body.

    It's as good an explanation as polar bears/time travel/Jacob's cabin. And these people were most important to each other because together they resolved their lives with the island as a setting. How is this interpretation any less believable than the popular one floating around?
     
  16. Jun 1, 2010 #1076 of 1741
    Anubys

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    I don't want to sound like an a$$, it just comes naturally...but...;)

    you seem to confuse the words "real" and "imagined" :p

    a collective out of body experience is all fine and dandy, but it's not real...I don't know how else to say it...

    what you're suggesting is certainly plausible...just as you can make a case that our current existence is not real but just some alien's dream...again, plausible, but not likely...

    I'd like to think that in this case, the writers told us directly what it was: real...what we saw actually happened...
     
  17. Jun 1, 2010 #1077 of 1741
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, it's pretty clear what the writers had in mind. I seek alternatives not because I'm unclear on their intent, but because I find the whole Purgatory thing (as they presented it) so relentlessly STUPID that I would prefer to pretend that it's something else going on. :D
     
  18. Jun 1, 2010 #1078 of 1741
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    You don't sound like an a$$ at all.

    It depends on your interpretation of reality. My wife can't accept time travel, polar bears on an island, or immortality as having any chance of being real, but a collective out of body experience might be. How can you bring up anything in the Lost universe as being plausable, but not likely, especially when it's a dead person telling Jack what's real.

    Perhaps I'm like Rob... the ending sucked so much that I search for a meaningful conclusion. While I am happy it was all about the people... I am searching for an ending that looked like the writers actually knew what they were doing.

    Besides Anubys from reading a previous thread - you were a Johnny come late to Lost anyway. I can't take the opinion of a newbie :)
     
  19. Jun 1, 2010 #1079 of 1741
    gchance

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    One could argue his opinions are more accurate because he's seen most of the series more recently than you have, so his memory is clearer (unless of course you've watched the DVD's as recently as he has).

    I'm trying to grasp the concept of how when a TV series tells you what's going on via expository dialogue, you try to interpret it differently.

    Greg
     
  20. Jun 1, 2010 #1080 of 1741
    Anubys

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    ok...the polar bears live on the island because the Dharma people brought them there...minor point in your argument, I know, but just wanted it out of the way...

    I'm not disagreeing that there may have been a better ending or explanation just that...

    ...it's the one we were given, as Greg points out...and just like Rob said before that: you don't have to LIKE it, but as far as the writers are concerned, this is the answer :)
     

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